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Is it a sin to masturbate while thinking about your wife?

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Does anyone actually do that? You might do it thinking about your gf, but your wife? :lol:

Funny. I went through some marriage counselling years ago through the church. And the subject of lust came up. The pastor who was counselling me said the trick was when you think lustful thoughts about a work mate or someone else, is to change the face of that woman to the face of your wife. He said, that's what he did when he lusted.

I thought to myself, if I do that, it would just take away the pleasure of the thought. It'd by like having a bucket of cold water thrown all over you. :lol: Some may say that is the idea, but I don't know if it was this particular guy's intention.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

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Isn't it normal to enjoy and anticipate with a certain amount of excitement (even lust) sexual activity with your spouse? Or am I the odd one out?
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as11018 wrote:Is it a sin to masturbate while thinking about your wife?
To my understanding, the passage in the Bible (or old Testament, I'm not sure) is so vague that even extrapolating masturbation as a sin at all is pretty thin. If that's true, then the specifics of when it's ok to masturbate and when it isn't, is not exactly going anywhere. It's all the speculation of the people "interpereting" the passage.

I say, if the passage shows masturbation as a sin, it's a sin (assuming you believe that sort of thing). So stop reading the bible or stop jerking off. Can I say "jerking off" on these forums? ... waits for the mod hammer...

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Masturbation is a sin. Even when thinking about your wife. Though I'm glad you have these thoughts for your wife instead of another person.

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Sin is irrelevant. Self-pleasure is healthy and normal.

The sooner you get over the idea of sin, the happier life will be.

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Coyotero wrote:Sin is irrelevant. Self-pleasure is healthy and normal.

The sooner you get over the idea of sin, the happier life will be.
Self-pleasure is healthy and normal? If that was true, then the rich would be happy. One could say people derive pleasure from drugs and alcohol, but the abuse of these things does not lead to happiness. Anyone who's seen a drug addict or an alcoholic knows that.

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KitsuneShoujoAi wrote:
Coyotero wrote:Sin is irrelevant. Self-pleasure is healthy and normal.

The sooner you get over the idea of sin, the happier life will be.
Self-pleasure is healthy and normal? If that was true, then the rich would be happy. One could say people derive pleasure from drugs and alcohol, but the abuse of these things does not lead to happiness. Anyone who's seen a drug addict or an alcoholic knows that.
There's also plenty of non-addicts who exhibit self control and can use said products while maintaining a healthy, satisfying life.

Yes, some people lack self control. That doesn't mean that the rest of the world that knows how to be responsible is evil.

Besides, I'm pretty sure the topic is masturbation. And it is normal and healthy.

From WebMD:
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/ ... tion-guide
Who Masturbates?

Just about everybody. Masturbation is a very common behavior, even among people who have sexual relations with a partner. In one national study, 95% of males and 89% of females reported that they have masturbated. Masturbation is the first sexual act experienced by most males and females. In young children, masturbation is a normal part of the growing child's exploration of his or her body. Most people continue to masturbate in adulthood, and many do so throughout their lives.

s Masturbation Normal?

While it once was regarded as a perversion and a sign of a mental problem, masturbation now is regarded as a normal, healthy sexual activity that is pleasant, fulfilling, acceptable and safe. It is a good way to experience sexual pleasure and can be done throughout life.

Masturbation is only considered a problem when it inhibits sexual activity with a partner, is done in public, or causes significant distress to the person. It may cause distress if it is done compulsively and/or interferes with daily life and activities.
Is Masturbation Harmful?

In general, the medical community considers masturbation to be a natural and harmless expression of sexuality for both men and women. It does not cause any physical injury or harm to the body, and can be performed in moderation throughout a person's lifetime as a part of normal sexual behavior. Some cultures and religions oppose the use of masturbation or even label it as sinful. This can lead to guilt or shame about the behavior.

Some experts suggest that masturbation can actually improve sexual health and relationships. By exploring your own body through masturbation, you can determine what is erotically pleasing to you and can share this with your partner. Some partners use mutual masturbation to discover techniques for a more satisfying sexual relationship and to add to their mutual intimacy.
There's dozens of websites out there citing similar information. Do a google search for "Is masturbation healthy?"

I don't have a problem with religions, but I do have a problem with them making people feel guilty and dirty over something that's a natural human process.

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Coyotero wrote:
KitsuneShoujoAi wrote:
Coyotero wrote:Sin is irrelevant. Self-pleasure is healthy and normal.

The sooner you get over the idea of sin, the happier life will be.
Self-pleasure is healthy and normal? If that was true, then the rich would be happy. One could say people derive pleasure from drugs and alcohol, but the abuse of these things does not lead to happiness. Anyone who's seen a drug addict or an alcoholic knows that.
There's also plenty of non-addicts who exhibit self control and can use said products while maintaining a healthy, satisfying life.

Yes, some people lack self control. That doesn't mean that the rest of the world that knows how to be responsible is evil.

Besides, I'm pretty sure the topic is masturbation. And it is normal and healthy.

From WebMD:
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/ ... tion-guide
Who Masturbates?

Just about everybody. Masturbation is a very common behavior, even among people who have sexual relations with a partner. In one national study, 95% of males and 89% of females reported that they have masturbated. Masturbation is the first sexual act experienced by most males and females. In young children, masturbation is a normal part of the growing child's exploration of his or her body. Most people continue to masturbate in adulthood, and many do so throughout their lives.

s Masturbation Normal?

While it once was regarded as a perversion and a sign of a mental problem, masturbation now is regarded as a normal, healthy sexual activity that is pleasant, fulfilling, acceptable and safe. It is a good way to experience sexual pleasure and can be done throughout life.

Masturbation is only considered a problem when it inhibits sexual activity with a partner, is done in public, or causes significant distress to the person. It may cause distress if it is done compulsively and/or interferes with daily life and activities.
Is Masturbation Harmful?

In general, the medical community considers masturbation to be a natural and harmless expression of sexuality for both men and women. It does not cause any physical injury or harm to the body, and can be performed in moderation throughout a person's lifetime as a part of normal sexual behavior. Some cultures and religions oppose the use of masturbation or even label it as sinful. This can lead to guilt or shame about the behavior.

Some experts suggest that masturbation can actually improve sexual health and relationships. By exploring your own body through masturbation, you can determine what is erotically pleasing to you and can share this with your partner. Some partners use mutual masturbation to discover techniques for a more satisfying sexual relationship and to add to their mutual intimacy.
There's dozens of websites out there citing similar information. Do a google search for "Is masturbation healthy?"

I don't have a problem with religions, but I do have a problem with them making people feel guilty and dirty over something that's a natural human process.
The question asked was if masturbation was a sin, not if it was socially acceptable.

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KitsuneShoujoAi wrote: The question asked was if masturbation was a sin, not if it was socially acceptable.
Sin is a sense of guilt meant to make one afraid of God, it's all in the mind of the person committing the act.

I'm not here to question Christian dogma, I'm merely offering perspective for someone who is obviously feeling a moral quandary. I'm offering acceptance and affirmation that the act being committed is natural and okay, your dogma offers condemnation and isolation.

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