Has science found God?

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Has science found God?

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As Bible suggests, this world is like a computer simulation. And now some have found evidence this could be true, world may be like a computer simulation. What say you, have science found God, the programmer of the universe?

"Simulation theory is a theoretical hypothesis that says what people perceive as reality is actually an advanced, hyper-realistic computer simulation, possibly overseen by a higher being".
https://builtin.com/hardware/simulation-theory

"Do you ever experience something and think to yourself, “This can’t be real.” To some people who have bought into the notion that our reality is currently being simulated, there are examples all around us, that demonstrate glitches in the Matrix. Deja Vu? Ghosts? The Mandela Effect? These could all be direct examples of flaws in the simulation."
https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... ion-theory

"MIT Theoretical physicist James Gates has made a discovery that allegedly caused Neil deGrasse Tyson to sit down in shock. Now for the uninitiated, superstring theory is a concept that could unify all aspects of physics if proven right. While working on his superstring theory, he made an odd discovery. Gates claims to have identified what appears to be actual computer code embedded in the equations of string theory that describe the fundamental particles of our universe. In short, he found “error-correcting codes,” the same error-correcting codes that you might find on the web browser you are using right now."
https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... ion-theory

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Re: Has science found God?

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marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:58 pm God can no more be proven...
Slight clarification... None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven.
Why do you think it is?

Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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Re: Has science found God?

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Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:58 pm God can no more be proven...
Slight clarification... None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven.
Why do you think it is?

Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
The reason Jesus did not throw Himself off the mount was because God does not save sinners by confronting them face to face or by splitting heaven open and scaring them into trusting God. Salvation must be accomplished by 'blind' faith or it does not serve God conditions.

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Re: Has science found God?

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marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:28 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:58 pm God can no more be proven...
Slight clarification... None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven.
Why do you think it is?

Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
The reason Jesus did not throw Himself off the mount was because God does not save sinners by confronting them face to face or by splitting heaven open and scaring them into trusting God. Salvation must be accomplished by 'blind' faith or it does not serve God conditions.
Would you mind doing me the courtesy of answering the debate questions I posed to you?
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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Re: Has science found God?

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Clownboat wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:21 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:28 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:58 pm God can no more be proven...
Slight clarification... None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven.
Why do you think it is?

Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
The reason Jesus did not throw Himself off the mount was because God does not save sinners by confronting them face to face or by splitting heaven open and scaring them into trusting God. Salvation must be accomplished by 'blind' faith or it does not serve God conditions.
Would you mind doing me the courtesy of answering the debate questions I posed to you?
Which question?

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Re: Has science found God?

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marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:53 am
Clownboat wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:21 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:28 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:58 pm God can no more be proven...
Slight clarification... None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven.
Why do you think it is?

Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
The reason Jesus did not throw Himself off the mount was because God does not save sinners by confronting them face to face or by splitting heaven open and scaring them into trusting God. Salvation must be accomplished by 'blind' faith or it does not serve God conditions.
Would you mind doing me the courtesy of answering the debate questions I posed to you?
Which question?
Seriously? You quoted them! :shock:
Look for sentences that end with a question mark. This is a question mark --> ?

- None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven. Why do you think it is?
- Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
- Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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Re: Has science found God?

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Clownboat wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:35 am
marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:53 am
Clownboat wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:21 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:28 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:58 pm God can no more be proven...
Slight clarification... None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven.
Why do you think it is?

Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
The reason Jesus did not throw Himself off the mount was because God does not save sinners by confronting them face to face or by splitting heaven open and scaring them into trusting God. Salvation must be accomplished by 'blind' faith or it does not serve God conditions.
Would you mind doing me the courtesy of answering the debate questions I posed to you?
Which question?
Seriously? You quoted them! :shock:
Look for sentences that end with a question mark. This is a question mark --> ?

- None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven. Why do you think it is?
- Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
- Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
Gods can no more be proven than can aliens or some other assumed cause for the formation of life on earth.

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marke wrote:Gods can no more be proven than can aliens or some other assumed cause for the formation of life on earth.
You are wrong. If Gods were real (I'm not claiming that they are or aren't by the way), they could be shown to be real. This is a silly stipulation you place on god concepts, therefore I must reject it for finding it silly.
If you can un-silly it, I will amend my thinking.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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Re: Has science found God?

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marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:01 pm
Clownboat wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:35 am
marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:53 am
Clownboat wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:21 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:28 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:58 pm God can no more be proven...
Slight clarification... None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven.
Why do you think it is?

Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
The reason Jesus did not throw Himself off the mount was because God does not save sinners by confronting them face to face or by splitting heaven open and scaring them into trusting God. Salvation must be accomplished by 'blind' faith or it does not serve God conditions.
Would you mind doing me the courtesy of answering the debate questions I posed to you?
Which question?
Seriously? You quoted them! :shock:
Look for sentences that end with a question mark. This is a question mark --> ?

- None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven. Why do you think it is?
- Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
- Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
Gods can no more be proven than can aliens or some other assumed cause for the formation of life on earth.
The evidence from abiotic organic materials such as amino acids, peptides, etc. Indicate that the earth brought forth living things. Since God also says that's what happened, it seems perverse to deny it, even if you can't prove it. Truth is a stronger thing than proof.

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The Barbarian wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 11:17 am
marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:01 pm
Clownboat wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:35 am
marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:53 am
Clownboat wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:21 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:28 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:58 pm God can no more be proven...
Slight clarification... None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven.
Why do you think it is?

Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
The reason Jesus did not throw Himself off the mount was because God does not save sinners by confronting them face to face or by splitting heaven open and scaring them into trusting God. Salvation must be accomplished by 'blind' faith or it does not serve God conditions.
Would you mind doing me the courtesy of answering the debate questions I posed to you?
Which question?
Seriously? You quoted them! :shock:
Look for sentences that end with a question mark. This is a question mark --> ?

- None of the available god concepts that we have can be proven. Why do you think it is?
- Things that don't exist at all also cannot be proven and that gives some people pause. Do you understand why?
- Do you think that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God would provide evidence for itself on the same scale as something that doesn't exist?
Gods can no more be proven than can aliens or some other assumed cause for the formation of life on earth.
The evidence from abiotic organic materials such as amino acids, peptides, etc. Indicate that the earth brought forth living things. Since God also says that's what happened, it seems perverse to deny it, even if you can't prove it. Truth is a stronger thing than proof.
Abiotic materials such as amino acids do not disprove God in favor of some as yet unidentifiable natural or unnatural force.

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marke wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:33 pm
The Barbarian wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 11:17 am The evidence from abiotic organic materials such as amino acids, peptides, etc. Indicate that the earth brought forth living things. Since God also says that's what happened, it seems perverse to deny it, even if you can't prove it. Truth is a stronger thing than proof.
Abiotic materials such as amino acids do not disprove God in favor of some as yet unidentifiable natural or unnatural force.
This is somewhat amusing to watch. You are blindly flailing around assuming everyone here is trying to 'disprove God'. Do you realize your interlocutor above is also a God believer? They just happen to also understand the science involved and have reconciled that the facts we observe must have somehow originated with their God.

I have a lot of respect for theists like this because they are aware of the material being discussed and realize that science is not out to 'disprove God'.

Ironically, if God is ever to be 'proven' (or at least observed in a repeatable process) it will likely be scientists that have done it. What will the anti science crowd do then? Those that understand science will simply accept the results as long as they are repeatable and pass peer review.

To head off the question: Does this mean they will jump to the existing holy books and all of a sudden believe in one of the faith based god concepts? No, they will only stick to observable facts just like today. If we discover a god exists, then we base anything further on what we observe. Picking one of the thousands of existing religions would be ridiculous if faced with the facts.

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