How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?

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How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?

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How do we know what is right, and what is wrong? For example, I think it is wrong to be a herbivore or a carnivore or an omnivore, or a parasite. I think all living things should be autotrophs. I think only autotrophs are good and the rest are evil. However, I am not certain that my thoughts are right. Can herbivores, carnivores, omnivores, and parasites become autotrophs at will? If so, why don't they? If they can't become autotrophs at will, is it really their fault that they are not autotrophs?

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The Tanager wrote:So, if God then said raping a child is good, He would be wrong because of how He set reality up. You can apply that to any scenario you want.
This very clearly indicates that even in your mind, morals transcend God. They are beyond God's ability to dictate, which - again - throws you onto a horn of Euthyphro.

If morals are what they are, despite what God says, why are they Right? Just because?
“And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
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[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #811]

I dont think there is anything new for either of us in this discussion. Ive answered how God makes human morality objective. Ive shared why my view isnt "God said it, so it must be good" multiple times. Ive specifically shared why my view splits the false Euthyphro dilemma. Ive shared why reason alone cant get one to objective morals. Reason has a starting point and your starting point isnt objective, so it takes you to subjective morality. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and allowing me to share mine.

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You didn't sum that up correctly, but I wouldn't expect you to get it right, since you haven't been right about any of it.
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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
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Compassionist wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:42 pm How do we know what is right, and what is wrong? For example, I think it is wrong to be a herbivore or a carnivore or an omnivore, or a parasite. I think all living things should be autotrophs. I think only autotrophs are good and the rest are evil. However, I am not certain that my thoughts are right. Can herbivores, carnivores, omnivores, and parasites become autotrophs at will? If so, why don't they? If they can't become autotrophs at will, is it really their fault that they are not autotrophs?
Simple-listen to Jesus--Man does not live by bread alone but by every utterance from God--All who love God and his son, learn and apply-EVERY utterance from God=OT-NT study never stops. The only teachers on earth who have Jesus leading them, teach EVERY utterance from God to the flock, without fail. All can look at their preacher this very minute and see if they actually have listened to Jesus, otherwise they have found-these2Cor 11:1215)

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Compassionist wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:42 pm How do we know what is right, and what is wrong? For example, I think it is wrong to be a herbivore or a carnivore or an omnivore, or a parasite. I think all living things should be autotrophs. I think only autotrophs are good and the rest are evil. However, I am not certain that my thoughts are right. Can herbivores, carnivores, omnivores, and parasites become autotrophs at will? If so, why don't they? If they can't become autotrophs at will, is it really their fault that they are not autotrophs?
So have you ceased eating altogether or do you just live every moment under the condemnation that you, yourself, are evil in your eyes?

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God doesnt have to have ever spoken to anyone at all in order for people to know what the Bible says is right and wrong
I determine what is right or wrong according to the Bible by reading and studying the Bible. phim sex hn quc
I determine what is right or wrong according to direct prophetic communication with God by paying attention when He speaks to me directly.

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mrrobot1994 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:15 am God doesnt have to have ever spoken to anyone at all in order for people to know what the Bible says is right and wrong
I determine what is right or wrong according to the Bible by reading and studying the Bible. phim sex hn quc
I determine what is right or wrong according to direct prophetic communication with God by paying attention when He speaks to me directly.
Then you believe mass genocide is good [the flood, God's many commands to his people to annihilate competing tribes]; you believe if a 'god' tells you to murder your son, you should do it ['Binding of Isaac']; that leaders like Trump and Hitler should be obeyed since they were given 'authority' by God [Paul in Romans]; and on and on....

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Compassionist wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:42 pm How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
By doing what is right and not doing what is wrong. 8-) 8-) 8-)

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Compassionist wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:42 pm How do we know what is right, and what is wrong? For example, I think it is wrong to be a herbivore or a carnivore or an omnivore, or a parasite. I think all living things should be autotrophs. I think only autotrophs are good and the rest are evil. However, I am not certain that my thoughts are right. Can herbivores, carnivores, omnivores, and parasites become autotrophs at will? If so, why don't they? If they can't become autotrophs at will, is it really their fault that they are not autotrophs?
No civilized society can exist without laws and morals governing the behaviors of its citizens. Are Muslims right to believe it is OK to murder citizens who do not show proper respect for their savage barbarian cult leader? They think they are right but that is because they are uncivilized barbarians. God teaches what is right and wrong and civilized humans must develop views and values closely aligned with His in order to remain civilized.

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Because we are choosing, which one is right or wrong also, that part is relative and changeable.

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