Evolutionary Purpose of Morality

[Wootah]

I think I worked it out.

The evolution purpose of morality is to forget the evil we have done and do.

No one can cope with the horror show of biology and human history. We are all descended for murderers, etc.

So in response morality evolved to help with an illusion that we are the good guys.

Does anyone want to debate my notion on the evolution of morality?

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Edited by otseng

[A Freeman]

Morality is defined as:

a set of personal or social standards for good or bad behaviour and character:
Example: They argued for a new morality based on self-sacrifice and honesty.

the quality of being right, honest, or acceptable:
Example: I have to question the morality of forcing poor people to pay for their medical treatment.

Source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... h/morality

The question that usually (if not always) follows is this: Who decides the personal and social standards for good and bad behaviour, i.e. defines what is right and honest v. what is wrong and dishonest?

The answer to that question is very simple: our Creator.

And the next question that should be considered is this: are right and wrong somehow transient hypotheses?

Which likewise has a very simple answer: NO.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah, i.e. The Law"), namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy define what is right and wrong in our Creator's Eyes, as well as provide us with some basic examples. The rest of the Old Covenant/Testament gives us the historical accounting of the blessings/rewards received when The Law is obeyed and the curses/punishments that are administered when disobeyed, to encourage us to do what is right, good, just and fair for everyone, instead of what is wrong, evil, unjust and unfair.

The New Covenant/Testament then provides us with THE Example of obedience and self-sacrifice for the good of everyone, as both a testament and confirmation of The Law. And, just as is stated throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, no one will be rewarded for being unrepentant criminals (law-breakers/"sinners").

The Koran/Quran provides further confirmation, examples and explanations. So we've been provided with plenty of reminders over the past 6000 years, including these written instructions provided over the past 3500 years, of what right and wrong are, and why crime/sin doesn't pay. Therefore no one will be able to claim or feign ignorance on the Last Day, the day when we will be judged according to our works.

THAT is the evolutionary purpose of morality, to teach us and bring us to the exact place each of us deserves to be, in eternal time, based upon ALL of our thoughts, words and actions throughout many human lifetimes over the past 6000 years.

It could be thought of as "natural selection", where good always wins over evil in the end, so that the most benevolent continue on, and the evil is destroyed.

[marke]

Marke: Morality, like truth, is eternal and immutable. Morality did not evolve but degeneracy keeps growing and evolving as we near the end of the age.

Morality seems to have evolved as humans starting living in societies.

Is theft good for the society? No. Then theft is deemed immoral.
Is murder good for the society? No. Then murder is deemed immoral.
Is sexual assault good for the society? No. Then sexual assault is deemed immoral.

Or we can just accept your unevidenced claim that comes with the baggage of being at the end of some age you allude, but why should we do that?

Marke: I believe morality is as immutable as God. Others don't believe that. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion.

[Clownboat]

The question that usually (if not always) follows is this: Who decides the personal and social standards for good and bad behaviour, i.e. defines what is right and honest v. what is wrong and dishonest?

The answer to that question is very simple: our Creator.

If we are going to be honest with each other, no god concept has ever been shown to define right/wrong.
Societies decide what is right and wrong. Shamans and religious leaders would often credit their believed in god concept for this, but in the end, only societies are known to be involved.

Believing that the gods informed the Shaman about what is right/wrong does not make it so.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Clownboat]

Marke: Morality, like truth, is eternal and immutable. Morality did not evolve but degeneracy keeps growing and evolving as we near the end of the age.

Morality seems to have evolved as humans starting living in societies.

Is theft good for the society? No. Then theft is deemed immoral.
Is murder good for the society? No. Then murder is deemed immoral.
Is sexual assault good for the society? No. Then sexual assault is deemed immoral.

Or we can just accept your unevidenced claim that comes with the baggage of being at the end of some age you allude, but why should we do that?

Marke: I believe morality is as immutable as God. Others don't believe that. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion.

It seems that you admit that there is no reason for us to believe your claim.

This is a debate site. Not a site for people to come on just to tell us what they happen to believe.
Now, if only you could show that your belief had merit, then we would have something to discuss. For now, I accept you have this belief (that a god concept did a thing) and see nothing to debate.

[Wootah]

The question that usually (if not always) follows is this: Who decides the personal and social standards for good and bad behaviour, i.e. defines what is right and honest v. what is wrong and dishonest?

The answer to that question is very simple: our Creator.

If we are going to be honest with each other, no god concept has ever been shown to define right/wrong.
Societies decide what is right and wrong. Shamans and religious leaders would often credit their believed in god concept for this, but in the end, only societies are known to be involved.

Believing that the gods informed the Shaman about what is right/wrong does not make it so.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I still don't know why atheists can't admit there is no such thing as morality? I think it is the same reason as the Bible in Genesis. No one likes to be naked and ashamed. < not a slur, but an astute observation.

[marke]

Marke: Morality, like truth, is eternal and immutable. Morality did not evolve but degeneracy keeps growing and evolving as we near the end of the age.

Morality seems to have evolved as humans starting living in societies.

Is theft good for the society? No. Then theft is deemed immoral.
Is murder good for the society? No. Then murder is deemed immoral.
Is sexual assault good for the society? No. Then sexual assault is deemed immoral.

Or we can just accept your unevidenced claim that comes with the baggage of being at the end of some age you allude, but why should we do that?

Marke: I believe morality is as immutable as God. Others don't believe that. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion.

It seems that you admit that there is no reason for us to believe your claim.

This is a debate site. Not a site for people to come on just to tell us what they happen to believe.
Now, if only you could show that your belief had merit, then we would have something to discuss. For now, I accept you have this belief (that a god concept did a thing) and see nothing to debate.

Marke: It looks like everyone here is posting opinions but some want to block conservatives from posting their opinions.

[Clownboat]

I still don't know why atheists can't admit there is no such thing as morality?

mo·ral·i·ty
/məˈralədē/
noun
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

It would be silly to think that a person that doesn't find any of the available god concepts to be real, can't admit that there is a distinction between right and wrong. One doesn't follow from the other. Now if a person was claiming that a god supplied this morality, then I could see an atheist rejecting that idea, but not morality as a whole.

I think it is the same reason as the Bible in Genesis. No one likes to be naked and ashamed. < not a slur, but an astute observation.

I trust you have corrected your misplaced observation that you had thought was astute.

[Clownboat]

Marke: It looks like everyone here is posting opinions but some want to block conservatives from posting their opinions.

It is a fact and not my opinion, that if you could show that your belief had merit, we then would have something to discuss. You being conservative or not is irrelevant. Even non conservatives are expected to show that they speak the truth on this debate forum.

From my signature line:
"If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb"

[Wootah]

I still don't know why atheists can't admit there is no such thing as morality?

mo·ral·i·ty
/məˈralədē/
noun
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

It would be silly to think that a person that doesn't find any of the available god concepts to be real, can't admit that there is a distinction between right and wrong. One doesn't follow from the other. Now if a person was claiming that a god supplied this morality, then I could see an atheist rejecting that idea, but not morality as a whole.

I think it is the same reason as the Bible in Genesis. No one likes to be naked and ashamed. < not a slur, but an astute observation.

I trust you have corrected your misplaced observation that you had thought was astute.

Make it not arbitrary.

[marke]

Marke: It looks like everyone here is posting opinions but some want to block conservatives from posting their opinions.

It is a fact and not my opinion, that if you could show that your belief had merit, we then would have something to discuss. You being conservative or not is irrelevant. Even non conservatives are expected to show that they speak the truth on this debate forum.

From my signature line:
"If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb"

Marke: What you believe is a fact is in reality just your opinion. Is this what you believe is a fact, quote "Morality seems to have evolved as humans starting living in societies." I can accept that some people assume morality must have evolved among humans when they first formed civilizations some 10,000 years ago or so, but that is still unproven.

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While it's not accurate to say science has proven morality was invented by early civilizations, research suggests morality evolved from a combination of factors, including innate tendencies and social influences. Morality is a complex phenomenon influenced by both biology and culture.