Jesus the man, or Jesus the god? Answer = Jesus the man!

[oldbadger]

That is the subject for debate:- Was Jesus a man who challenged a corrupted rich group, or God come to Earth especially for humans?

I've read the gospels a few times, and I feel quite sure that Jesus was a man of the peasant classes (90+% of the whole country) who challenged the wealthy and hypocritical 'Vichy type' rulers of the Palestinian Provinces.

He wanted a return of the Laws of Moses, so many of which had been ignored for so long, and he wanted an honest system that devoted itself to the people and not just a few. I don't believe in long winded essays, rather for short, clear examples, and so I'll post up one example per post.

Example:- Jesus wanted a return of the Laws of Moses......not just a few cherrypicked choices as Christians would prefer.
Matthew 5:17 >> Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.........

So many prophets had come before, calling out for the laws to be supported and kept, and so many rulers had turned away from them.
Church Dogma altered his call and succeeded in destroying these, unless it was convenient to remember them.

Can you show that I'm wrong?

[oldbadger]

I am therefore challenging your statement that "Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws" which implies your position is the religion established after his death in the first century existed contrary to his will and purpose and was not based on his teachings. If I have misunderstood and the above underslined portion is NOT your position, please confirm.

Yet another thread, I think.

Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

[JehovahsWitness]

I am therefore challenging [The implicatipn that] the religion established after his death in the first century existed contrary to his will and purpose and was not based on his teachings. If I have misunderstood and the above underslined portion is NOT your position, please confirm.

Yet another thread, I think.

Only if , I you were claiming the religion established after his death in the first century existed contrary to Jesus will and stated purpose and was not based on the teachings of Christ.

Given it seems the above in brown is NOT your position, there is no need to start a new thread, I accept we have no issue . Feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood, otherwise, have a most excellent day and enjoy the rest of your thread,



JW

[TRANSPONDER]

The thing is, if one quotes existing material, there is the Bible and Bible apologists. And an Authority battle gets us nowhere. The point about posting here is to discuss what's in the Bible ourselves, not look up writers who agree with our particular point of view and toss quotes at each other.

On the thread Badger started, I contrast the New Law of Mathew with the sermon of Luke (Mark - nor John) does not have one.

The point is to look at the implications of this, not to look up the opinion of some scholar who appears to accept that the sermons are reliable records of what Jesus actually said.

What use is there in referring to such experts who have all fallen into the same bear - pit of accepting as reliable record what demonstrably is not.

[oldbadger]

I am therefore challenging [The implicatipn that] the religion established after his death in the first century existed contrary to his will and purpose and was not based on his teachings. If I have misunderstood and the above underslined portion is NOT your position, please confirm.

Yet another thread, I think.

Only if , I you were claiming the religion established after his death in the first century existed contrary to Jesus will and stated purpose and was not based on the teachings of Christ.

Given it seems the above in brown is NOT your position, there is no need to start a new thread, I accept we have no issue . Feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood, otherwise, have a most excellent day and enjoy the rest of your thread,

JW

Teachings of Christ? More like 'The call of Jesus'.
............. another thread has begun.

[ledgeRAILz]

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Jesus was very honest and open about his mission to fulfill and bring to manifestation the Law and Covenants

which is why he explained that he did not come to change anything concerning the law itself but to make a completion and fulfilment of how the law applies in the heart of man in todays modern times

all of the laws are still in effect

but fulfillment and the cause and effect of how the law applied to ancient days and how the law applies to modern times

and even the punishment of the law has changed - all of the laws are still the same laws