Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

[Greatest I Am]

Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

In speaking with Muslims, I have found that they see sin as something to be conquered and they are not shy about taking on the challenge of fighting their desires for sin.
A good trait to my mind.

Except for sexual matters.

With these sins and temptations, Muslims hide their temptation away, with clothing and social separation, and never face and conquer this particular group of sins. An example of this would be weddings where the females are separated from the males.

Know that some are more liberal than others and there is some liberalization but think that this is not the common Muslim.

Why is there a double standard?

Face and conquer, so to speak, other sins, but hide from sexual ones.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

[TrueReligion]

Look, to go in details of your all questions regarding taliban, al-jazeera, I prefer not to reply here, because e went far away from the OP, if you like make another post, we wil discuss there, but not here anymmore, this does;nt mean that I dont have answers or im backing off,
No, I just want to concentrate on our original post.

It was specifically because of your not allowing any news source to be linked as proof that started it in the first place, in fact it lasted as long as it did because you did not want to say that you do not accept ANY news source regardless of their location or bias. This more seems like you don't want to concede a point that you are incorrect on so instead you want to change the subject. Really I want to see your sources that say all schools were closed in Afghanistan and only for a short amount of time instead of as we know only girls schools were closed. I really want to see a link from a christian website that supports what you say about the christian lifestyle bring it or retract it as it is you have insulted christianity and should at the very least apologize. About al jazeera it's amazing I ask for proof of your claims and immediately you try to drop it and change the subject without admitting you were wrong, you said you had evidence that proves they are controlled by the U.S. and I simply want to see it, once you come up with this evidence then it can be dropped.

Now for the Post, I ask you, what is your criteria or levels, or list of sins or temptation, ofcourse you can't say that drinking , rape, adultery etc etc are not sins. if they are not, thn y the word SIN os created, or it will have any meaning.
So kindly gime just lists of sins, what you think they are, without explanation or anything, we wil talk further.

See this is another problem your list of sins is based on an islamic system, while mine has a judeo-christian base. You think drinking alcohol is unquestioningly a sin but that is not the case in the west. Maybe if you give a list of what you consider a sin I could then confirm if such is the case from a western perspective, considering your warped perspective of christian values I think this would be more beneficial to you. After all you think for christians it is okay to rape, murder and rob people.

I didnt ask you explanation of anything, jjust provide me list of sins, which you consider its a sin. dont give reasons for west or something, in west alcohol is stilll a crime, dats y while driving its punishable, in west adultery and pornnography was also an open crime till it was changedd some time go,
Gay/Lesbian is also part of law now,it was bad before,

So just gime your list of sins, we will discuss, nothing else thn the original post please.

You made many claims, just as you have demanded proof from others for their claims I have every right to demand you give the same kind of proof or retract your claims, not just drop them.
Right off the bat you are mixing up sins and crimes driving under the influence is a crime but not a sin. Adultery is a sin but not a crime. Porn in some forms is still a crime and mostly is a sin. Homosexuality is not a crime, don't think it ever was but it was strongly disliked and unofficially bigoted against whether it is a sin is debatable.
This is one of those problems between islamic and western systems, in a muslim country all sins are crimes due to religion having such a central role in life and politics. In the west only the big religious sins are still crimes.

Still you are not paying attention to what im asking, just provide me the list of sins in your mind, we are not talking about west or east, its general sin for mankind. which every society take as sins. ofcourse west is not an exceptional,, non-muslims e.g hindu and others also take things sins, which western ppl doesnt tae
So please just list of your sins, we will discuss.

[Wyvern]

Still you are not paying attention to what im asking, just provide me the list of sins in your mind, we are not talking about west or east, its general sin for mankind. which every society take as sins. ofcourse west is not an exceptional,, non-muslims e.g hindu and others also take things sins, which western ppl doesnt tae
So please just list of your sins, we will discuss.

And I want to see your proof about your claims about the taliban, al jazeera and christians. Provide proof, retract the claim or admit you were wrong, once you make a claim you can't just drop the subject.

You aren't getting it, there is no general list of sins for all of mankind. Name anything you think of as a sin and I can name a culture in which it was accepted behavior. I am not being facetious, it's simply that what you want does not exist, mankinds cultures are much too diverse for such generalities.

[TrueReligion]

Still you are not paying attention to what im asking, just provide me the list of sins in your mind, we are not talking about west or east, its general sin for mankind. which every society take as sins. ofcourse west is not an exceptional,, non-muslims e.g hindu and others also take things sins, which western ppl doesnt tae
So please just list of your sins, we will discuss.

And I want to see your proof about your claims about the taliban, al jazeera and christians. Provide proof, retract the claim or admit you were wrong, once you make a claim you can't just drop the subject.

You aren't getting it, there is no general list of sins for all of mankind. Name anything you think of as a sin and I can name a culture in which it was accepted behavior. I am not being facetious, it's simply that what you want does not exist, mankinds cultures are much too diverse for such generalities.

For taliban and this, create another post, I will join you there,. Here I'am adviced, and its my right not to answer anything beyond topic.
The post is created for MUSLIMS SEE SIN AS A CHALLENGE. so this means sins are general sins, not by culture or country., so you have to place the list of sins, which topic correspond for us to move further, otherwise there is no reason for the post.

[Wyvern]

Still you are not paying attention to what im asking, just provide me the list of sins in your mind, we are not talking about west or east, its general sin for mankind. which every society take as sins. ofcourse west is not an exceptional,, non-muslims e.g hindu and others also take things sins, which western ppl doesnt tae
So please just list of your sins, we will discuss.

And I want to see your proof about your claims about the taliban, al jazeera and christians. Provide proof, retract the claim or admit you were wrong, once you make a claim you can't just drop the subject.

You aren't getting it, there is no general list of sins for all of mankind. Name anything you think of as a sin and I can name a culture in which it was accepted behavior. I am not being facetious, it's simply that what you want does not exist, mankinds cultures are much too diverse for such generalities.

For taliban and this, create another post, I will join you there,. Here I'am adviced, and its my right not to answer anything beyond topic.
The post is created for MUSLIMS SEE SIN AS A CHALLENGE. so this means sins are general sins, not by culture or country., so you have to place the list of sins, which topic correspond for us to move further, otherwise there is no reason for the post.

Please read what I type carefully, what you want does not exist there is no such universal list of sins. For any sin you might list there is at least one culture in which it was accepted behavior. Since as you say this is for a topic about muslims, why do you need a general list when you as a muslim (I presume) should be able to easily list off what a muslim sees as a sin

[TrueReligion]

Please read what I type carefully, what you want does not exist there is no such universal list of sins. For any sin you might list there is at least one culture in which it was accepted behavior. Since as you say this is for a topic about muslims, why do you need a general list when you as a muslim (I presume) should be able to easily list off what a muslim sees as a sin

If you say, that the sin is different all religions, and 1 sin in any religion, may not be sin in other religion, so thn this post is invalid, and you dont have to argue for muslims trying to be away from sins, unless you show me the same post, made for another religions as welll.

Or we may ask anny neutral meember, or moderator to settle the issue for this post topic?

[Wyvern]

Please read what I type carefully, what you want does not exist there is no such universal list of sins. For any sin you might list there is at least one culture in which it was accepted behavior. Since as you say this is for a topic about muslims, why do you need a general list when you as a muslim (I presume) should be able to easily list off what a muslim sees as a sin

If you say, that the sin is different all religions, and 1 sin in any religion, may not be sin in other religion, so thn this post is invalid, and you dont have to argue for muslims trying to be away from sins, unless you show me the same post, made for another religions as welll.

Or we may ask anny neutral meember, or moderator to settle the issue for this post topic?

I think you don't understand this thread is about muslims and the challenges that arise from sin so all we need is to know what a muslim considers sin anything more is just muddying the waters.

[TrueReligion]

Please read what I type carefully, what you want does not exist there is no such universal list of sins. For any sin you might list there is at least one culture in which it was accepted behavior. Since as you say this is for a topic about muslims, why do you need a general list when you as a muslim (I presume) should be able to easily list off what a muslim sees as a sin

If you say, that the sin is different all religions, and 1 sin in any religion, may not be sin in other religion, so thn this post is invalid, and you dont have to argue for muslims trying to be away from sins, unless you show me the same post, made for another religions as welll.

Or we may ask anny neutral meember, or moderator to settle the issue for this post topic?

I think you don't understand this thread is about muslims and the challenges that arise from sin so all we need is to know what a muslim considers sin anything more is just muddying the waters.

Yes, I know, and thats what I said, the sins which Muslims see, others dont see it as a sin, and a sin which a hindu take as a sin, muslims and others dont take as sin.
So wats the reason of talking only about Muslim sins? when in your western dictionary sin does;nt exist?

[Wyvern]

Please read what I type carefully, what you want does not exist there is no such universal list of sins. For any sin you might list there is at least one culture in which it was accepted behavior. Since as you say this is for a topic about muslims, why do you need a general list when you as a muslim (I presume) should be able to easily list off what a muslim sees as a sin

If you say, that the sin is different all religions, and 1 sin in any religion, may not be sin in other religion, so thn this post is invalid, and you dont have to argue for muslims trying to be away from sins, unless you show me the same post, made for another religions as welll.

Or we may ask anny neutral meember, or moderator to settle the issue for this post topic?

I think you don't understand this thread is about muslims and the challenges that arise from sin so all we need is to know what a muslim considers sin anything more is just muddying the waters.

Yes, I know, and thats what I said, the sins which Muslims see, others dont see it as a sin, and a sin which a hindu take as a sin, muslims and others dont take as sin.
So wats the reason of talking only about Muslim sins? when in your western dictionary sin does;nt exist?

You want to stay within the thread but you don't want to talk about how muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex. This thread is very specific and has nothing to do with comparing religions as you seem to want it to be. In fact to be more correct this thread is about the sexual discrimination rife within islam.

[TrueReligion]

Please read what I type carefully, what you want does not exist there is no such universal list of sins. For any sin you might list there is at least one culture in which it was accepted behavior. Since as you say this is for a topic about muslims, why do you need a general list when you as a muslim (I presume) should be able to easily list off what a muslim sees as a sin

If you say, that the sin is different all religions, and 1 sin in any religion, may not be sin in other religion, so thn this post is invalid, and you dont have to argue for muslims trying to be away from sins, unless you show me the same post, made for another religions as welll.

Or we may ask anny neutral meember, or moderator to settle the issue for this post topic?

I think you don't understand this thread is about muslims and the challenges that arise from sin so all we need is to know what a muslim considers sin anything more is just muddying the waters.

Yes, I know, and thats what I said, the sins which Muslims see, others dont see it as a sin, and a sin which a hindu take as a sin, muslims and others dont take as sin.
So wats the reason of talking only about Muslim sins? when in your western dictionary sin does;nt exist?

You want to stay within the thread but you don't want to talk about how muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex. This thread is very specific and has nothing to do with comparing religions as you seem to want it to be. In fact to be more correct this thread is about the sexual discrimination rife within islam.

Yes, thats y Im asking you to provide me list of sins for mankind, but you are not giving me, just provide me and I will be happy to answer and discuss here.

[Wyvern]

You want to stay within the thread but you don't want to talk about how muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex. This thread is very specific and has nothing to do with comparing religions as you seem to want it to be. In fact to be more correct this thread is about the sexual discrimination rife within islam.

Yes, thats y Im asking you to provide me list of sins for mankind, but you are not giving me, just provide me and I will be happy to answer and discuss here.

You want me to provide a universal list of sins in order to allow us to discuss the ingrained sexual discrimination within islam? Please tell me how they relate.