Contradictions in Holy Books

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Take a work of fiction, say the Middle Earth of JRR Tolkien, or Frank Herbert’s Dune, or Scott Westerfeld’s The Risen Empire. I haven’t hunted through them for contradictions, but it remains entirely possible that the author made these fictional worlds internally coherent, and containing no contradictions.

How does this prove the validity of the claims made in the writings themselves though? If a Bible or Qur’ân can be shown as completely coherent and containing no contradictions, how does this prove that god exists and that the scriptures’ particular version of god actually exists?

[Wyvern]

It depends on your taste Wyvern, many people use sugar and milk in coffee, famous brand nestle also make 3in1 cofee, wth milk-powder and sugar. care for more debate?

Lighten up, that was a joke.

How can this look a contradiction to you, you yourself said that human is made of water, carbon and other stuff, so this is also a contradiction, as all these elements are dfferent with each other:) want more. examples.

When the koran states man is made up of both something and nothing that is clearly a contradiction. There is no way it can not be a contradiction when the koran says man is made of nothing, but later lists a number of things man is made of.

Ofcourse before making anything, nothing exist, and this is not a contradiction, its only lack of your understanding my dear

Except that the koran states man is made of nothing not as you prefer to think of it as before man was created there was nothing.

The fact is clear, Where did I use that bones are made of sand? can you show it:) dont change words of others as per you,
The fact is accepted by other users, but seems hard for you to accept it.

Post 58 is where you claim bones are made of sand. What fact are you talking about that you claim is accepted by others?

I will go to point-2 in next post, as this contradiction is cleared, that its false and wrong understanding.
Thanks Wyvern for bringing and accepting the facts.

Stop putting words in my mouth yet once again. If you accept that man can not be made of both something and nothing you then agree that this is a contradiction and then yes we can move on if you so desire.

[TrueReligion]

It depends on your taste Wyvern, many people use sugar and milk in coffee, famous brand nestle also make 3in1 cofee, wth milk-powder and sugar. care for more debate?

Lighten up, that was a joke.

How can this look a contradiction to you, you yourself said that human is made of water, carbon and other stuff, so this is also a contradiction, as all these elements are dfferent with each other:) want more. examples.

When the koran states man is made up of both something and nothing that is clearly a contradiction. There is no way it can not be a contradiction when the koran says man is made of nothing, but later lists a number of things man is made of.

Ofcourse before making anything, nothing exist, and this is not a contradiction, its only lack of your understanding my dear

Except that the koran states man is made of nothing not as you prefer to think of it as before man was created there was nothing.

The fact is clear, Where did I use that bones are made of sand? can you show it:) dont change words of others as per you,
The fact is accepted by other users, but seems hard for you to accept it.

Post 58 is where you claim bones are made of sand. What fact are you talking about that you claim is accepted by others?

I will go to point-2 in next post, as this contradiction is cleared, that its false and wrong understanding.
Thanks Wyvern for bringing and accepting the facts.

Stop putting words in my mouth yet once again. If you accept that man can not be made of both something and nothing you then agree that this is a contradiction and then yes we can move on if you so desire.

Wyvern, where in Post #58, I said that bones are made of sand? can you show here please.
Now only your difficulty is, that what does it mean by Man is created from nothing.

Here is explanation once again,

The verse is from Chapter 19:67 (Chapter Mariam)

"(19:67) Does man not remember that We created him before when he was nothing?"

Now, please go with context of this chapter, and you will understand, wats the meaning, and why Christians brought into contradiction.

[Wyvern]

Wyvern, where in Post #58, I said that bones are made of sand? can you show here please.
Now only your difficulty is, that what does it mean by Man is created from nothing.

Now tell me, as its said about sand, when human body is burried, why bones are remaining and where other things go? evaporate?
Isn't silicon the key component of sand? and isn't silicon key ingrediant in human body?

Here is your claim of bones being made of sand. But that is not your only difficulty you have not yet explained how man is made of a blood clot, a drop of sperm, dust, clay and of course nothing all at the same time. You must remember this was before man was created so where did the clotted blood and sperm come from? Dust and clay are primarily silicates which is only a trace element in the human body so obviously this referred to something else. Our bodies are made of matter so claiming they are made of nothing is clearly impossible.

The verse is from Chapter 19:67 (Chapter Mariam)

"(19:67) Does man not remember that We created him before when he was nothing?"

Now, please go with context of this chapter, and you will understand, wats the meaning, and why Christians brought into contradiction.

All you have done now is raise a contradiction between two different translations of the koran the Yusuf Ali translation states man was created out of nothing, as opposed to this version which says when he was nothing. Also of course your version implies man existed before allah created him so who really created man according to the koran? Your choices are man is created from nothing or that allah did not even make man since he has memory of existance before he was supposedly created.

[TrueReligion]

Wyvern, where in Post #58, I said that bones are made of sand? can you show here please.
Now only your difficulty is, that what does it mean by Man is created from nothing.

Now tell me, as its said about sand, when human body is burried, why bones are remaining and where other things go? evaporate?
Isn't silicon the key component of sand? and isn't silicon key ingrediant in human body?

Here is your claim of bones being made of sand. But that is not your only difficulty you have not yet explained how man is made of a blood clot, a drop of sperm, dust, clay and of course nothing all at the same time. You must remember this was before man was created so where did the clotted blood and sperm come from? Dust and clay are primarily silicates which is only a trace element in the human body so obviously this referred to something else. Our bodies are made of matter so claiming they are made of nothing is clearly impossible.

Still, its not stated in post 58 that bones are made of sand? you assume by yourself? a very lack of understand I can see from your side Wyvern:)

The verse is from Chapter 19:67 (Chapter Mariam)

"(19:67) Does man not remember that We created him before when he was nothing?"

Now, please go with context of this chapter, and you will understand, wats the meaning, and why Christians brought into contradiction.

All you have done now is raise a contradiction between two different translations of the koran the Yusuf Ali translation states man was created out of nothing, as opposed to this version which says when he was nothing. Also of course your version implies man existed before allah created him so who really created man according to the koran? Your choices are man is created from nothing or that allah did not even make man since he has memory of existance before he was supposedly created.

This is yousuf Ali translation Wyvern:) Now you can;t reply to this, so you are changing your statement as always you do:) too bad Wyern

[Wyvern]

You have not yet explained how man is made of a blood clot, a drop of sperm, dust, clay and of course nothing all at the same time. You must remember this was before man was created so where did the clotted blood and sperm come from? Dust and clay are primarily silicates which is only a trace element in the human body so obviously this referred to something else. Our bodies are made of matter so claiming they are made of nothing is clearly impossible.

You did not comment on this yet so I thought I'd repost it for you.

All you have done now is raise a contradiction between two different translations of the koran the Yusuf Ali translation states man was created out of nothing, as opposed to this version which says when he was nothing. Also of course your version implies man existed before allah created him so who really created man according to the koran? Your choices are man is created from nothing or that allah did not even make man since he has memory of existance before he was supposedly created.

This is yousuf Ali translation Wyvern:) Now you can;t reply to this, so you are changing your statement as always you do:) too bad Wyern

I did reply to this as seen above in fact I replied to both versions of this text and gave you the option of which one you want to go with instead you took the third option and attacked me instead, very classy.

[TrueReligion]

You have not yet explained how man is made of a blood clot, a drop of sperm, dust, clay and of course nothing all at the same time. You must remember this was before man was created so where did the clotted blood and sperm come from? Dust and clay are primarily silicates which is only a trace element in the human body so obviously this referred to something else. Our bodies are made of matter so claiming they are made of nothing is clearly impossible.

You did not comment on this yet so I thought I'd repost it for you.

All you have done now is raise a contradiction between two different translations of the koran the Yusuf Ali translation states man was created out of nothing, as opposed to this version which says when he was nothing. Also of course your version implies man existed before allah created him so who really created man according to the koran? Your choices are man is created from nothing or that allah did not even make man since he has memory of existance before he was supposedly created.

This is yousuf Ali translation Wyvern:) Now you can;t reply to this, so you are changing your statement as always you do:) too bad Wyern

I did reply to this as seen above in fact I replied to both versions of this text and gave you the option of which one you want to go with instead you took the third option and attacked me instead, very classy.

[TrueReligion]

You have not yet explained how man is made of a blood clot, a drop of sperm, dust, clay and of course nothing all at the same time. You must remember this was before man was created so where did the clotted blood and sperm come from? Dust and clay are primarily silicates which is only a trace element in the human body so obviously this referred to something else. Our bodies are made of matter so claiming they are made of nothing is clearly impossible.

You did not comment on this yet so I thought I'd repost it for you.

All you have done now is raise a contradiction between two different translations of the koran the Yusuf Ali translation states man was created out of nothing, as opposed to this version which says when he was nothing. Also of course your version implies man existed before allah created him so who really created man according to the koran? Your choices are man is created from nothing or that allah did not even make man since he has memory of existance before he was supposedly created.

This is yousuf Ali translation Wyvern:) Now you can;t reply to this, so you are changing your statement as always you do:) too bad Wyern

I did reply to this as seen above in fact I replied to both versions of this text and gave you the option of which one you want to go with instead you took the third option and attacked me instead, very classy.

Explanation is given several times, its just your lack of understanding, the contradiction is proven to be false, you could;nt deny it till now with any proof.
Further your knowledge of science and human is very weak, as its obviious from other discussions also, so better you dont discuss science here,, otherwise it wil be funny for you.
Bring any verse from any authentic translation, where its use that man ismadeup of nothing:) remember the verse right which is quoted?

[van]

Did Paul go to the meeting in response to a revelation or was he asked to go by the Antioch church?
Most likely both- why can't you have a revelation and be asked by the a group to vist? GOD working and people asking.

Did Paul present his position privately to the Jerusalem church leaders or to the entire assembly?
Most likely both. Haven't you had a manager tell you a policy was going to change then they call a meeting and tell the whole group? or were 2 different things discussed?
Galatians 2 2I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I did this privately to those who seemed to be leaders, for fear that I was running or had run my race in vain
Acts 15 12The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.

Did Paul wait to be told what to do by the Jerusalem church leaders or did he stand his ground?
Both Paul double checked the Gospel he was spreading but also was adamant about.
Galatians 2 6As for those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance—those men added nothing to my message

Was the agreement that the gentile converts should remember the poor or that they should abstain from meats offered to idols, blood, things strangled and fornication ?
Explained that one already-Christianity is not like Islam where you have to keep rigid rules. Only if what you do makes another have difficulty living his faith do you need to abstain from whatever is causing the problem. Of course remember the poor-Christianity is about charity.

Galatians 2
21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Why would there be much debate over this issue in Acts 15 when Peter oversaw the conversion of Cornelius, an uncircumcised Gentile back in Acts 10 ?
Maybe as time went on it became more of an issue.- the Parisees became more vocal.

Acts 15
5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."

Hope this helps-remember the Holy Bible is the living Word of GOD. You might read a passage one day and get just a superficial understanding. Read it weeks later and receive more understanding and greater knowledge of an event.

If you read it trying to find fault in it, or with your heart closed you will gain nothing.

Most people trying to find fault in the Bible truly have no desire for the truth that is the Bible.

[TrueReligion]

Did Paul go to the meeting in response to a revelation or was he asked to go by the Antioch church?
Most likely both- why can't you have a revelation and be asked by the a group to vist? GOD working and people asking.

Did Paul present his position privately to the Jerusalem church leaders or to the entire assembly?
Most likely both. Haven't you had a manager tell you a policy was going to change then they call a meeting and tell the whole group? or were 2 different things discussed?
Galatians 2 2I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I did this privately to those who seemed to be leaders, for fear that I was running or had run my race in vain
Acts 15 12The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.

Did Paul wait to be told what to do by the Jerusalem church leaders or did he stand his ground?
Both Paul double checked the Gospel he was spreading but also was adamant about.
Galatians 2 6As for those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance—those men added nothing to my message

Was the agreement that the gentile converts should remember the poor or that they should abstain from meats offered to idols, blood, things strangled and fornication ?
Explained that one already-Christianity is not like Islam where you have to keep rigid rules. Only if what you do makes another have difficulty living his faith do you need to abstain from whatever is causing the problem. Of course remember the poor-Christianity is about charity.

Galatians 2
21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Why would there be much debate over this issue in Acts 15 when Peter oversaw the conversion of Cornelius, an uncircumcised Gentile back in Acts 10 ?
Maybe as time went on it became more of an issue.- the Parisees became more vocal.

Acts 15
5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."

Hope this helps-remember the Holy Bible is the living Word of GOD. You might read a passage one day and get just a superficial understanding. Read it weeks later and receive more understanding and greater knowledge of an event.

If you read it trying to find fault in it, or with your heart closed you will gain nothing.

Most people trying to find fault in the Bible truly have no desire for the truth that is the Bible.

And after they analyze and study deeply, they left Christianity as they come to know that Bible is not word of God and full of funny stories and fairy tales

[Wyvern]

Explanation is given several times, its just your lack of understanding, the contradiction is proven to be false, you could;nt deny it till now with any proof.

This is an example of you not understanding what you are writing. You say I couldn't deny it with proof until now which means that I do have proof.

Further your knowledge of science and human is very weak, as its obviious from other discussions also, so better you dont discuss science here,, otherwise it wil be funny for you.

For a guy that says he respects me you sure do like insulting me.

Bring any verse from any authentic translation, where its use that man ismadeup of nothing:) remember the verse right which is quoted?

I did and I even replied to both versions of it which you have ignored.