Humerous; happy stick... huh.
Are you declaring your own argument victorious in this debate simply because you say it is? That's what I'm reading. Let's start over. This time, try to convince me that you're right... not yourself.
Not at all. I pointed out the absurdities of your argument. YOu ignored them. YOu don't even realize how absurd the stuff you said was.
Facts to point out:
1. Copout statement: Translation--No one but a true christian may understand the Bible, which is a nonsense rationalization.
Yes. you issued a cop-out statement. I showed you why and an example. YOu didn't comprehend it. You cannot state that other's can't understand something just because they aren't divinely inspired. It's bullshit. Get it? It's unsubstantiated and unfalsifiable. No on ehas to have the word of God to inspire him to understand it. Conclusion doesn't follow from Premises.
There is very little evidence that Jesus even existed outside of faerie tales. At least Plato directly wrote stuff. What did JEsus write? All his existence relies on is heresay from other people who were his supposed "disciples."
Where's the burial site? Where's his first hand writings? WHere is his body? What DNA is there? Do we got photos? Do we have living relatives? Is there any real evidence or product of his being other than word of mouth?
What if a bunch of people called themselves the disciples of Granny. Granny wrote nothing, but the disciples say he did. It's most likley a very nice faerie tale invented by philosphers who had nothing better to do.
This isn't an opinion son, it's telling you to provide evidence for your blanket statement that there's more evidence. Untill you provide such, I am under no obligation to believe you, and it's not my job to search for it. I am not about to do your homework for you. YOu state something, you must provide linky-linkies or cut-past evidence. This ain't an easter-egg hunt.
THere's no credible evidence he knows everything. It's all heresay. Being all-knowing doesn't logically justify anything anyway. You are going from an IS to an OUGHT, which is the naturalistic fallacy.
Just because he is all power does not logically imply he ought to engage in violance because he knows. You cannot go from what is to what ought to be for something to be right/wrong.
God would have to use two or more ought premesies behind his arguments to justify it. All power and all knowledge doesn't delineate right/wrong/ justification.
This is also not an opinion. It's quite logical. You are using CIRCULAR LOGIC to assume he's always right, and you are not looking to any outside, neutral source. YOu are taking the argument at face value. The same would be true if I wrote a book saying everything is right in the book, claiming divine inspiration.
That even sounds absurd. to serial killers. YOu don't need to "trust" someone to know that something's wrong, sounds wrong, or is silly and evil. Here's an example?
You don't see serial killers' actions as disgusting because you don't trust them.
If you replace Jesus with serial killers, you get teh same argument, and it's just as silly. I don't, however, need to know they are disgusting through trust. THere are things called OBJECTIVE ETHICAL theories, which do this for me.
This isn't an opinion either. It's showing that if you substitute something in place of YOUR JESUS, it makes no sense. You cannot say that someone doesn't understand disgusting because they don't "trust" the person doing the activity. It's not hard to grasp.
You said we think it's an atrocity and bad because we don't know and trust jesus, which is a bogus statement. You don't need to trust the criminal or the wrongdoer to know he's doing wrong.
Hence, the serial killer. Simple.
They are more than that. Spelling, Grammar, Cartography, Directions, Logic, HISTORY. If the Bible is the word of God, there shouldn't be grammatical errors, logical errors, scientific contradictions, poor cartography and crappy directional skills.
Is God a moron? People aren't even that stupid. I know you can't go south to go north. What fool doesn't know that?
Already showed cases of Biblical errancy. YOu defend them saying "no one understands God, therefore they cannot make comments. They must trust him to believe him." Silly stuff.
There really is no son of God. Jesus is God, so they are really one and the same. That's like me dividing into two people simultaniously and saying he's my son.
And trusting that it's right because the Bible or Jesus say so is the appeal to Authority Fallacy.
Trusting in th word of Jesus because he's jesus = logical fallacy called appeal to AUthority. That's not an opinion Kid. That's logic.
Saying that the Son of God cannot be the son is also rational. God IS JESUS, so how can he really be his SOn. It's not my fault christianity cannot undrestand basic geneology. YOu cannot be yourself and your own son at the same time. It's retarded.
As to Biblican History, it's wrong about a lot of things, including the life of Herod, the famous "path" of Jesus, as well as the details about Pilotes. It's also with no foundation for all of Exodus. It's ludicrous.
Most historical evidences show that Exodus didn't occure, especially at tha time.
Tigerlilly: So now you are appealing to something that's physically/ logically impossible--mircale workers. If you have to believe in something that has no evidence..that's not good.
Not an opinion. Mircales are highly illogical and fly in the face of Parsimony. Get it now?
Tigerlilly: The Bible is far from accurate: I will post a hilarious example:
Apparently you go the opposite direction to go where you want, in the Bible. Great inerrancy and reliability. They can't even do basic directional skills, much less historical accuracy.
Learn to read a map. Then come back to me and tell me that this is opinion. What are you smoking?
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Crap on a happy stick. I showed you where your crappy arguments were illogical and wrong. Period. I falsified your Biblical super inerrancy.
You cannot come up with anything, not because it's personal opinion, but because your crap was debunked.
Humerous; happy stick... huh.
Are you declaring your own argument victorious in this debate simply because you say it is? That's what I'm reading. Let's start over. This time, try to convince me that you're right... not yourself.
Here, let me show you your...
opinion... unwarranted... uncoroborated.
Examples from your last post:
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Tigerlilly:
Copout statement: Translation--No one but a true christian may understand the Bible, which is a nonsense rationalization.
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Tigerlilly: There is very little evidence that Jesus even existed outside of faerie tales. At least Plato directly wrote stuff. What did JEsus write? All his existence relies on is heresay from other people who were his supposed "disciples."
Where's the burial site? Where's his first hand writings? WHere is his body? What DNA is there? Do we got photos? Do we have living relatives? Is there any real evidence or product of his being other than word of mouth?
What if a bunch of people called themselves the disciples of Granny. Granny wrote nothing, but the disciples say he did. It's most likley a very nice faerie tale invented by philosphers who had nothing better to do.
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Tigerlilly: THere's no credible evidence he knows everything. It's all heresay. Being all-knowing doesn't logically justify anything anyway. You are going from an IS to an OUGHT, which is the naturalistic fallacy.
Just because he is all power does not logically imply he ought to engage in violance because he knows. You cannot go from what is to what ought to be for something to be right/wrong.
God would have to use two or more ought premesies behind his arguments to justify it. All power and all knowledge doesn't delineate right/wrong/ justification.
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Tigerlilly: That even sounds absurd. to serial killers. YOu don't need to "trust" someone to know that something's wrong, sounds wrong, or is silly and evil. Here's an example?
You don't see serial killers' actions as disgusting because you don't trust them.
If you replace Jesus with serial killers, you get teh same argument, and it's just as silly. I don't, however, need to know they are disgusting through trust. THere are things called OBJECTIVE ETHICAL theories, which do this for me.
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Tigerlilly:
They are more than that. Spelling, Grammar, Cartography, Directions, Logic, HISTORY. If the Bible is the word of God, there shouldn't be grammatical errors, logical errors, scientific contradictions, poor cartography and crappy directional skills.
Is God a moron? People aren't even that stupid. I know you can't go south to go north. What fool doesn't know that?
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Tigerlilly: There really is no son of God. Jesus is God, so they are really one and the same. That's like me dividing into two people simultaniously and saying he's my son.
And trusting that it's right because the Bible or Jesus say so is the appeal to Authority Fallacy.
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Tigerlilly: As to Biblican History, it's wrong about a lot of things, including the life of Herod, the famous "path" of Jesus, as well as the details about Pilotes. It's also with no foundation for all of Exodus. It's ludicrous.
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Tigerlilly: So now you are appealing to something that's physically/ logically impossible--mircale workers. If you have to believe in something that has no evidence..that's not good.
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Tigerlilly: So the only people who can critique it fairly are the ones who believe it. That's like saying no one can criticize communism because they're not a communist. No one except those inspired by the divine knoweldge of the almighty Stalin or Lenin or Marx may understand this triumphant work!
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Tigerlilly: Basically, God procrastinates and shouves his workload onto his minions and slaves--the christians, and they feel blessed that he gives them the work.
Wow. Can I let you do my homework and then you can be blessed? Shucks, if it's that easy to get fools to do stuff...
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Tigerlilly: Translating now: *beebdoobeeb beeb beeb* I am actually being a slave of God...it's absolutely amazing!
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Tigerlilly: They live normal, happy, free lives and they don't go insane.
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Tigerlilly: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA. I am sorry. I just crapped my pants that was so funny. God and justice don't even go together. It's an oxymoron.
Here are the comments that I could actually respond to, if I choose. I may do so later.
Translation: I cannot come up with a rational explantion for the failure of my bullshit, therefore I might come back with some answer if I am not too cowardly, or, I might come back with more lies and make you go through the whole process all over again. --end translation.
