Contradictions in Holy Books

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Take a work of fiction, say the Middle Earth of JRR Tolkien, or Frank Herbert’s Dune, or Scott Westerfeld’s The Risen Empire. I haven’t hunted through them for contradictions, but it remains entirely possible that the author made these fictional worlds internally coherent, and containing no contradictions.

How does this prove the validity of the claims made in the writings themselves though? If a Bible or Qur’ân can be shown as completely coherent and containing no contradictions, how does this prove that god exists and that the scriptures’ particular version of god actually exists?

[McCulloch]

The so called errors and contradictions of the Holy Bible have all been explained.

If so, could you please explain The Jerusalem Conference & Apostolic Decree ?

[Wyvern]

Wyvern, contradiction is that 2 words differ each other in the meaning, of making of something.
Example, Cofee is made of water, and Coffee beans, and Sugar, or Milk.
So whats contradiction in this? do you call it a contradiction?
similarly what's mention in the Quran, is that human is made from all these things, so wats the contradiction in this?

You barbarian, putting sugar and milk in your coffee Tell me how a human can be made of dust, clay, blood clots, and NOTHING? The first three are all something but the last is nothing, how can this not be a contradiction?

Its your weak understanding, the contradiction is already answered, even if you dont want to understand and accept it, its upto you Wyvern, you could;nt prove that its wrong till now.

You obviously do not know what a contradiction is then if you think something can be nothing and not contradict itself.

Its understood clearly that you dont want to accept the fact Wyvern, for which I can;t force you to do.
The factis given, with authentic links, my point is clear and proven, this point-1 is over.

You claimed bones are made of sand and then you prove yourself wrong by posting a link that states silicon is a trace element in the body. I accept the facts but I don't think you know what you have been writing.

It does;nt mean whats the 2nd link history, main thing is, its telling whats the source of silicon. do you get silicon by magic?

Did you buy their herbal supplement since that is it's one and only purpose and if you believe their claim about silicon then you must also believe the same claims about colloidal silver, selenium and all the other things the snake oil salesmne are trying to get you to buy.

[McCulloch]

The Holy Bible was written by over 40 GOD inspired authors. It is a miracle that any of it jives!

Not really. Many of the authors had access to what had been written previously. Matthew while writing his Gospel might have wondered where Jesus was born. Did he need to access a birth certificate or ask His mom? No, it was written in the prophets that the messiah was to be born in Bethlehem. Therefore, Matthew had no choice but to record that is where Jesus was born.

Then came the editors and compilers. Over the period of time that the books now included in the Bible were written, there were lots and lots of scriptures written. Committees of scholars reviewed these writings in some detail before deciding which ones to include and, more importantly, which ones to exclude. So, it is no surprise that the selected writings hang together somewhat. What is surprising is that after all of that editing and selecting, that there are still as many inconsistencies and nonsense as there is.

[TrueReligion]

The so called errors and contradictions of the Holy Bible have all been explained.

What seems like contradictions actually gives the reader more information. The Holy Bible was written by over 40 GOD inspired authors. It is a miracle that any of it jives!

GOD inspired and then allowed each to write in their own way, using their own language to describe what they saw as eye witnesses. As in any event where there are more then one eyewitness some people pick up more on one part of the event then another- each story then complements the other not contradicting

Hey this is how the Holy Bible came to us-who are we to change GOD's Word? Which is funny because that is what muslims-not the quran but muslims claim. The Quran has been changed-when they added the vowel points-it was changed.

There is no stage of dust in human development.

"Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities."

Mohammad is DEAD! Jesus lives!!

Mohammad did it with a sword killing others. Jesus did it by dying for us!

http://www.catholic.org/international/i ... p?id=33761
"My older brother, a passionate Christian learned that lesson too late: after preaching to Muslims, he was eventually ambushed by Muslims who cut out his tongue and murdered him."

True sign of a cult -Islam can not stand up against the truth so muslims must kill and destroy any other religious evangalists, books and artifacts.

Just 1 question VAN for you, are to ready to handle and answer the contradictionsof Bible?
To make clear to you, Bible errors and contradictions are already admited by known and wel-famous christian theologians and scholars.
Just answer this, and we will go for head to head debate. ready for challenge?

[TrueReligion]

Wyvern, contradiction is that 2 words differ each other in the meaning, of making of something.
Example, Cofee is made of water, and Coffee beans, and Sugar, or Milk.
So whats contradiction in this? do you call it a contradiction?
similarly what's mention in the Quran, is that human is made from all these things, so wats the contradiction in this?

You barbarian, putting sugar and milk in your coffee Tell me how a human can be made of dust, clay, blood clots, and NOTHING? The first three are all something but the last is nothing, how can this not be a contradiction?

It Depends on your taste Wyvern, many people take sugar and milk in Coffee, Famous brand"Nestle" also uses instant coffee pouch, with cofee, milk-powder, and sugar, all 1in3, care for more?
Its already explain, how human is made of all 3, the link provided, also say that human is made up of 6 main ingredients, now when we check the names of 6, they all are different,soit means science is also contradicting:)
Any more explanation you need my dear friend?

Its your weak understanding, the contradiction is already answered, even if you dont want to understand and accept it, its upto you Wyvern, you could;nt prove that its wrong till now.

You obviously do not know what a contradiction is then if you think something can be nothing and not contradict itself.

Ofcourse, before you start making anything, nothing exist, need some examples for that?

Its understood clearly that you dont want to accept the fact Wyvern, for which I can;t force you to do.
The factis given, with authentic links, my point is clear and proven, this point-1 is over.

You claimed bones are made of sand and then you prove yourself wrong by posting a link that states silicon is a trace element in the body. I accept the facts but I don't think you know what you have been writing.

I know well, and its understood by other users as well, just thinking why its hard for you to understand

It does;nt mean whats the 2nd link history, main thing is, its telling whats the source of silicon. do you get silicon by magic?

Did you buy their herbal supplement since that is it's one and only purpose and if you believe their claim about silicon then you must also believe the same claims about colloidal silver, selenium and all the other things the snake oil salesmne are trying to get you to buy.

I will quote in next post about point-2, as this contradiction is false and a weak understanding.

[TrueReligion]

Wyvern, contradiction is that 2 words differ each other in the meaning, of making of something.
Example, Cofee is made of water, and Coffee beans, and Sugar, or Milk.
So whats contradiction in this? do you call it a contradiction?
similarly what's mention in the Quran, is that human is made from all these things, so wats the contradiction in this?

You barbarian, putting sugar and milk in your coffee Tell me how a human can be made of dust, clay, blood clots, and NOTHING? The first three are all something but the last is nothing, how can this not be a contradiction?

It depends on your taste Wyvern, many people use sugar and milk in coffee, famous brand nestle also make 3in1 cofee, wth milk-powder and sugar. care for more debate?
How can this look a contradiction to you, you yourself said that human is made of water, carbon and other stuff, so this is also a contradiction, as all these elements are dfferent with each other:) want more. examples...

Its your weak understanding, the contradiction is already answered, even if you dont want to understand and accept it, its upto you Wyvern, you could;nt prove that its wrong till now.

You obviously do not know what a contradiction is then if you think something can be nothing and not contradict itself.

Ofcourse before making anything, nothing exist, and this is not a contradiction, its only lack of your understanding my dear

Its understood clearly that you dont want to accept the fact Wyvern, for which I can;t force you to do.
The factis given, with authentic links, my point is clear and proven, this point-1 is over.

You claimed bones are made of sand and then you prove yourself wrong by posting a link that states silicon is a trace element in the body. I accept the facts but I don't think you know what you have been writing.

The fact is clear, Where did I use that bones are made of sand? can you show it:) dont change words of others as per you,
The fact is accepted by other users, but seems hard for you to accept it.

It does;nt mean whats the 2nd link history, main thing is, its telling whats the source of silicon. do you get silicon by magic?

Did you buy their herbal supplement since that is it's one and only purpose and if you believe their claim about silicon then you must also believe the same claims about colloidal silver, selenium and all the other things the snake oil salesmne are trying to get you to buy.

I will go to point-2 in next post, as this contradiction is cleared, that its false and wrong understanding.
Thanks Wyvern for bringing and accepting the facts.

[McCulloch]

Mohammad is DEAD! Jesus lives!!

Some people claim that Elvis is alive too. However, no reputable source has seen either of them for quite some time now.

[van]

The so called errors and contradictions of the Holy Bible have all been explained.

If so, could you please explain The Jerusalem Conference & Apostolic Decree ?

Compared to the quran that had one writter the Holy Bible should be filled wth contradictions.

A contradiction would be saying in one chapter that a man was made from a clot- no dust in another- no etc. or saying that an event happened and then in the next saying it didn't.

In the Holy Bible when you have 2 authors-eyewitness to an event they will pick up different information. When are 2 eyewitnesses ever in omplete agreement- if they are something is usually fishy.

Paul does say different things to different groups of people-each group being told what they needed to hear to be closer to GOD.

For example: If someone believes that you must abstain from meats offered to idols then you must not eat the meat so as not to cause your brother to stumble. Does eating the meat offered to idols cause you to be away from GOD no. Everything of the world is from GOD and there is no such thing as an idol having any kind of power. If you believe that the meat has no power over you just sustainance then eat it.

[TrueReligion]

The so called errors and contradictions of the Holy Bible have all been explained.

If so, could you please explain The Jerusalem Conference & Apostolic Decree ?

Compared to the quran that had one writter the Holy Bible should be filled wth contradictions.

A contradiction would be saying in one chapter that a man was made from a clot- no dust in another- no etc. or saying that an event happened and then in the next saying it didn't.

In the Holy Bible when you have 2 authors-eyewitness to an event they will pick up different information. When are 2 eyewitnesses ever in omplete agreement- if they are something is usually fishy.

Paul does say different things to different groups of people-each group being told what they needed to hear to be closer to GOD.

For example: If someone believes that you must abstain from meats offered to idols then you must not eat the meat so as not to cause your brother to stumble. Does eating the meat offered to idols cause you to be away from GOD no. Everything of the world is from GOD and there is no such thing as an idol having any kind of power. If you believe that the meat has no power over you just sustainance then eat it.

Why you can't you just clear 1 simple contradiction which was asked from you? We know very well, and that there are thousands of errors and contradictions in Bible, and scholars admited it as well. Example is Mathew and Luke for different geneology of Jesus.

Just give the reply to 1 simple contradiction, which is ofcourse not copyist error.

When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

Scientific Absurdities:

Proverbs 6:6-8, ants have no commander, no ruler and no overseer! This is absurdly false, because ants live in colonies and ranks of rulership and authority. And they have a queen

Do you want remarks of famous christian theologians and protestant scholars, who admited the errors in Bible as well?

Observation No. 1: Adam Clarke
Adam Clarke said on page 369 of vol. 5 of his commentary:

It is customary that the number of the writers on the lives of great men has always been large. The same is true of Jesus and the Apostles; that is to say the number of narrators of their lives is also great but many of the statements they make are erroneous. They used to write fictional events as if they were facts. They also made mistakes, deliberate or accidental, in other descriptions, especially the historians of the land where Luke wrote his Gospel. For this reason the Holy Spirit imparted appropriate knowledge to Luke so that the faithful might know the true accounts.

This gives us to understand that prior to Luke’s Gospel there were many false gospels present replete with errors and mistakes. The above statement is a plain admission of the dishonesty of their authors. His words that they made deliberate or accidental mistakes is enough evidence of this fact.


Observation No. 2: The Gospel of Christ
The fact that a gospel called the Gospel of Christ existed in the time of the Apostles is certainly true and was also testified to by Eichhorn and many other German scholars. Similarly scholars like Leclerc, Grabe, Michael, Lessing, Niemeyer and Marsh also agree with this opinion

Want more?

[McCulloch]

For example: If someone believes that you must abstain from meats offered to idols then you must not eat the meat so as not to cause your brother to stumble. Does eating the meat offered to idols cause you to be away from GOD no. Everything of the world is from GOD and there is no such thing as an idol having any kind of power. If you believe that the meat has no power over you just sustainance then eat it.

Van, I copied your answer as a quote into the other thread and responded there.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 727#276727