Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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Most religions claim that souls exist. Some religions claim that souls are immortal and are reincarnated after the death of the body while other religions claim that souls are immortal and are resurrected after the death of the body. Can anyone please prove that souls exist and are either resurrected or reincarnated? Thank you.

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Re: Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 4:27 pm I did not say someone said chemicals can think.
And yet you brought it up anyway.

Straw man
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion.

In post 653 (and others) it was made known that our thoughts and reasoning can be affected by affecting the brain itself.
"Swamp the brain with chemicals or inflict a sound blow to the head and see what happens to thought and reasoning."

This shows that our affecting our brains affects our reasoning and no soul concept is needed to explain this. Rather than addressing this valid observation, you created a strawman about chemicals not being able to think, something that nobody has brought up. This straw man fallacy doesn't have anything to do with the actual observation that was made.

Not being able to counter valid observations that go against what you want to be true can be uncomfortable, but that should be a time where you investigate further or amend your thinking on the matter. Not where fallacies are offered instead.
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Re: Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:18 pm I claim humans have spirits and souls because that is what the Bible says
This part is true.
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
and because that is what common sense leads us to believe.
This part is false. Common sense suggests that we our products of a working brain. No soul concept is even needed to explain this.

Occam's razor is a principle that favors the simplest explanation for a phenomenon over more complex explanations. It's also known as the "law of parsimony"
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marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:20 pm I still cannot avoid the obvious fact that no scientist has ever tried to prove that electrical charges create thoughts without any input from spirits.
You mean, like this?:
What are thoughts made of? They’re really just electro-chemical reactions
https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask- ... s-made-of/

I assume you have amended your thinking.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

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Re: Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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Clownboat wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 11:23 am
marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 4:27 pm I did not say someone said chemicals can think.
And yet you brought it up anyway.

Straw man
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion.

In post 653 (and others) it was made known that our thoughts and reasoning can be affected by affecting the brain itself.
"Swamp the brain with chemicals or inflict a sound blow to the head and see what happens to thought and reasoning."

This shows that our affecting our brains affects our reasoning and no soul concept is needed to explain this. Rather than addressing this valid observation, you created a strawman about chemicals not being able to think, something that nobody has brought up. This straw man fallacy doesn't have anything to do with the actual observation that was made.

Not being able to counter valid observations that go against what you want to be true can be uncomfortable, but that should be a time where you investigate further or amend your thinking on the matter. Not where fallacies are offered instead.

Marke: Humans cannot think on earth without a physical brain but that does not mean the chemical and electrical reactions in the human brain do the thinking for them.

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Re: Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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Clownboat wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 11:58 am
marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:20 pm I still cannot avoid the obvious fact that no scientist has ever tried to prove that electrical charges create thoughts without any input from spirits.
You mean, like this?:
What are thoughts made of? They’re really just electro-chemical reactions
https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask- ... s-made-of/

I assume you have amended your thinking.

Marke: Do MIT engineers suggest that the desires to mass murder innocent people are just bad chemical or electrical impulses? Are mass murderers innocent of mass murder because their chemical mixes made them do it?

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Re: Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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brunumb wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:06 am
marke wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:39 pm
brunumb wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:36 am
marke wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 3:41 am Marke: The invisible soul is what enables the physical brain to form thoughts.
Please explain how it does that.

Marke: The operations of souls and spirits are not observable or even definable in human or scientific terms. Trying to explain how spirits operate would be like trying to describe colors to a blind man.
In other words you have made a completely unsubstantiated claim which may simply be dismissed. If it's not observable or even definable in human or scientific terms, then it is no different from imaginary or made up stuff and therefore there is no good reason to believe any of it.
Marke: Those humans who refuse to believe anything they cannot see with their eyes suffer from ignorance of realities they will never become aware of.

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Re: Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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[Replying to marke in post #674]
Humans cannot think on earth without a physical brain but that does not mean the chemical and electrical reactions in the human brain do the thinking for them.
I am still unsure exactly how you are defining "humans"...
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An immaterial nothing creating a material something is as logically sound as square circles and married bachelors.


Unjustified Fact Claim(UFC) example - belief (of any sort) based on personal subjective experience. (Belief-based belief)
Justified Fact Claim(JFC) Example, The Earth is spherical in shape. (Knowledge-based belief)
Irrefutable Fact Claim (IFC) Example Humans in general experience some level of self-awareness. (Knowledge-based knowledge)

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William wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 5:28 am [Replying to marke in post #674]
Humans cannot think on earth without a physical brain but that does not mean the chemical and electrical reactions in the human brain do the thinking for them.
I am still unsure exactly how you are defining "humans"...
Marke: Maybe you should first explain how you define the word "defining."

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marke wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:37 am
William wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 5:28 am [Replying to marke in post #674]
Humans cannot think on earth without a physical brain but that does not mean the chemical and electrical reactions in the human brain do the thinking for them.
I am still unsure exactly how you are defining "humans"...
Marke: Maybe you should first explain how you define the word "defining."
If one cannot define 'definition,' then on what ground does one argue for the undefined?

If ‘spirit’ remains undefined—and even the act of defining is in question—then what exactly are we discussing? An intuition? A belief? A metaphor? If so, say that. But don’t mistake poetic gesture for ontological ground.
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An immaterial nothing creating a material something is as logically sound as square circles and married bachelors.


Unjustified Fact Claim(UFC) example - belief (of any sort) based on personal subjective experience. (Belief-based belief)
Justified Fact Claim(JFC) Example, The Earth is spherical in shape. (Knowledge-based belief)
Irrefutable Fact Claim (IFC) Example Humans in general experience some level of self-awareness. (Knowledge-based knowledge)

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Re: Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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marke wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:00 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 11:23 am
marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 4:27 pm I did not say someone said chemicals can think.
And yet you brought it up anyway.

Straw man
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion.

In post 653 (and others) it was made known that our thoughts and reasoning can be affected by affecting the brain itself.
"Swamp the brain with chemicals or inflict a sound blow to the head and see what happens to thought and reasoning."

This shows that our affecting our brains affects our reasoning and no soul concept is needed to explain this. Rather than addressing this valid observation, you created a strawman about chemicals not being able to think, something that nobody has brought up. This straw man fallacy doesn't have anything to do with the actual observation that was made.

Not being able to counter valid observations that go against what you want to be true can be uncomfortable, but that should be a time where you investigate further or amend your thinking on the matter. Not where fallacies are offered instead.

Marke: Humans cannot think on earth without a physical brain but that does not mean the chemical and electrical reactions in the human brain do the thinking for them.
I agree.
Now, will you address my post? You quoted it after all.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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