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Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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For Debate:

1) Is cognitive dissonance a necessary requirement to retain a position of team-Christianity?
2) If not, please explain why not?
3) If yes, please explain exactly why you choose to retain team-Christianity?

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I'd hypothesize the answer is (yes) to question 1). Case/point, the mere fact one comes to the defense, or to offer apologetics, to defend certain passages of the Bible, is one of the tell-tales. Doing so suggests what is plainly written in the Bible sometimes does not directly align with the moral compass of the one(s) coming to the Bible's defense. Therefore, 'explanations', or as I see it, excuses, is/are given to make it more comfortable for the one(s) choosing to continue holding this position.
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Re: Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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BrotherBerry wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:42 pm
Tcg wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:29 am
POI wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:53 am
I admit I carry a cognitive dissonance, when it comes to eating meat, politics, etc. yes. But with religion, no. I reject all of them equally, in favor of retaining consistent logic instead.
This resonates with me very well. I was "blessed" with a brain that wants to figure things out. If something doesn't add up I search for a resolution until I either find one or conclude the concept makes no logical sense. This was Christianity for me. It didn't add up even though I desperately wanted it too. After about a ten-year search for a logical resolve, after 40 years as a Christian, I abandoned the whole thing. My doubt was there for a valid reason, and I couldn't ignore the reality that Christianity is filled with logical holes. Nothing about it adds up. It's not even close.


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Re: Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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Best believe Jesus. Its still grace because all still sin, yet mortals MUST do certain things, the bible is 100% clear on that. No wonder Jesus teaches-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( get grace) Why do you think that is?

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Re: Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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servant1 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 4:54 pm [Replying to BrotherBerry in post #59]


Best believe Jesus. Its still grace because all still sin, yet mortals MUST do certain things, the bible is 100% clear on that. No wonder Jesus teaches-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( get grace) Why do you think that is?
Sorry but, what are you talking about? Something about mortals must do certain things.

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Re: Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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God wrote-1535 pages( give or take), he meant every word. Jesus is clear--Man does not live by bread alone but by Every utterance from God= OT-NT--- not if they want to, they MUST.

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Re: Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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BrotherBerry wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:30 pm
POI wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:52 am For Debate:

1) Is cognitive dissonance a necessary requirement to retain a position of team-Christianity?
2) If not, please explain why not?
3) If yes, please explain exactly why you choose to retain team-Christianity?

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I'd hypothesize the answer is (yes) to question 1). Case/point, the mere fact one comes to the defense, or to offer apologetics, to defend certain passages of the Bible, is one of the tell-tales. Doing so suggests what is plainly written in the Bible sometimes does not directly align with the moral compass of the one(s) coming to the Bible's defense. Therefore, 'explanations', or as I see it, excuses, is/are given to make it more comfortable for the one(s) choosing to continue holding this position.
No, you dot need a cognition dissonance to become a Christian. You believe in Jesus, John 6:47 most definitely I tell you, believe in me and you'll be saved. To learn more go to www.Gotquestions.org
The first question asks if you need cognitive dissonance to retain a position of team-Christianity? Not instead to merely first become a Christian.
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Re: Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:48 am
BrotherBerry wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:30 pm
POI wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:52 am For Debate:

1) Is cognitive dissonance a necessary requirement to retain a position of team-Christianity?
2) If not, please explain why not?
3) If yes, please explain exactly why you choose to retain team-Christianity?

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I'd hypothesize the answer is (yes) to question 1). Case/point, the mere fact one comes to the defense, or to offer apologetics, to defend certain passages of the Bible, is one of the tell-tales. Doing so suggests what is plainly written in the Bible sometimes does not directly align with the moral compass of the one(s) coming to the Bible's defense. Therefore, 'explanations', or as I see it, excuses, is/are given to make it more comfortable for the one(s) choosing to continue holding this position.
No, you dot need a cognition dissonance to become a Christian. You believe in Jesus, John 6:47 most definitely I tell you, believe in me and you'll be saved. To learn more go to www.Gotquestions.org
The first question asks if you need cognitive dissonance to retain a position of team-Christianity? Not instead to merely first become a Christian.
I didn't cognate the dissonance. You retain faith with faith.

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Re: Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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BrotherBerry wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 4:48 pm
POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:48 am
BrotherBerry wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:30 pm
POI wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:52 am For Debate:

1) Is cognitive dissonance a necessary requirement to retain a position of team-Christianity?
2) If not, please explain why not?
3) If yes, please explain exactly why you choose to retain team-Christianity?

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I'd hypothesize the answer is (yes) to question 1). Case/point, the mere fact one comes to the defense, or to offer apologetics, to defend certain passages of the Bible, is one of the tell-tales. Doing so suggests what is plainly written in the Bible sometimes does not directly align with the moral compass of the one(s) coming to the Bible's defense. Therefore, 'explanations', or as I see it, excuses, is/are given to make it more comfortable for the one(s) choosing to continue holding this position.
No, you dot need a cognition dissonance to become a Christian. You believe in Jesus, John 6:47 most definitely I tell you, believe in me and you'll be saved. To learn more go to www.Gotquestions.org
The first question asks if you need cognitive dissonance to retain a position of team-Christianity? Not instead to merely first become a Christian.
I didn't cognate the dissonance. You retain faith with faith.
If you have read the entire Bible, what happens then you come across some of the parts you do not agree with morally, or maybe any of the claims which do not appear to coincide with later human discovery? Do you just figure you are wrong or infected by evil?
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Re: Necessary Requirement for Christianity?

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BrotherBerry wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:30 pm
servant1 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:51 pm [Replying to BrotherBerry in post #57]


Jesus assures that believing means more than just plain believing-Matt 7:21-23--these believe yet will hear those words as judgement. So don't be fooled by false dogmas.

believing= learning all he teaches, applying all he teaches, obeying all he teaches.
We're saved by faith through grace, not by works lest people boast, Ephesians 2:8,9.

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Those are just teachings of Paul though.
Romans 3:24
they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.

What Jesus claimed in Matthew 12:37
for by your words you will be justified and by your words will you be condemned.

Who should we believe?
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