Prostitution

[ST88]

There are a number of places where prostitution is legal, such as the Netherlands, Spain, Germany, and parts of Nevada. My experience is that a majority of Americans view it as a universally immoral act, and a sizable minority view it as a victimless crime.

Should prostitution be legal?

What are the societal implications of legalization?

Is prostitution wrong?
Please define or explain your sense of right and wrong if you choose to answer this.

[Dilettante]

Even if I don't think it's right, it's a form of job, right? It's there own choice what to do.

Many things can be a job, and still not be acceptable. Voluntary slavery for food could be a job, but it's not an ethically acceptable one. "Hitman" is a job too, but no one would consider it acceptable either. As for choice, most of the time it's debatable whether prostitutes had other options. Frequently prostitution was the only choice available, so many would say it's hardly a free choice, although it could be a voluntary choice. But this would take us into a long-winded discussion on what freedom really is, and whether "voluntary" and "free" are synonyms.

[lifeisboring]

Even if I don't think it's right, it's a form of job, right? It's there own choice what to do.

Many things can be a job, and still not be acceptable. Voluntary slavery for food could be a job, but it's not an ethically acceptable one. "Hitman" is a job too, but no one would consider it acceptable either. As for choice, most of the time it's debatable whether prostitutes had other options. Frequently prostitution was the only choice available, so many would say it's hardly a free choice, although it could be a voluntary choice. But this would take us into a long-winded discussion on what freedom really is, and whether "voluntary" and "free" are synonyms.

Acceptable is an opinion. Just cause everyone in the world say that it's not a job, doesn't mean it's not.

[Dilettante]

lifeisboring wrote:

Acceptable is an opinion. Just cause everyone in the world say that it's not a job, doesn't mean it's not.

OK, I get the joke. But

[seen da light]

To start off, should it be legalised?
Not if a majority of the society says no(remember, we are speaking about democratic nations here such as America)
In my opinion, NO(maybe when hell freezes over...)

There are major implications for society such as
1-the creation of women as sex objects(note the female prostitutes)
if women become sex toys , we are heading to even darker times then society is already in.Men will have no respect for women as they will be seen as "just another piece of skin which i can now pay money to get"

2-Society will start to experience a moral degeneration as we have never seen before. As soon as you stat to put a price on the God given privilege of sexual intercourse, you stat to turn it into a commodity. "lets go buy some sex...."it will ultimately lead to people further losing the respect that we should have for the beautiful creation that God has given us.Once sex becomes a commodity, there will be little respect for it and all women become(linking back to the first point) is two boobs and a different set of genitals.nothing important.What message will that send to the youth?(especially your sexually longing teens)
Should we be breeding a society that is so bent on sex that it really becomes a degenerative society bent on as much frivolous pleasure as possible!!!???

3-my next point is that "controlling the industry" as many people hope it will do will just leave more loopholes for trafficers to move around prostitutes.It will be like legalising trafficing or just making it easier if you falsify the documents to make them "legal" prostitutes. No government polices can outlaw this and I'm sure that most will focus on more pressing issues such as violent crimes.there wont be sufficient resources to guarantee industry control.also this won't lead in any way to the protection of prostitutes on the "job".

4-my last point before I move onto whether it is right or wrong is essentially asking the question of what legalising prostitution will indeed lead to next?Can't be anything overall constructive for society, can it be.

Is prostitution right or wrong?
I firmly believe(as you have gathered by now) that it is indeed wrong.
Right being something that causes no harm to themselves/anyone else.
Wrong being that it does cause harm to themselves/any one else
It is thus clearly wrong because it not only harms the prostitutes(via sexually tramsmitted diseases etc) but also destroys our perception of sex(and mostly women becoming sex objets) and society's moral fibre.

[seen da light]

Firstly, I'm so sorry you feel that way..
Secondly, this debate posting forum isn't for such questions such as
1"did God create us or did we create God"
2"gives us the freedom of choosing what religion to believe in, and then sends prophets to convince us to believe in him. Strange, no?"

In an answer to you
1-God created the heaves the earth...(and us)
wait a while, I'm just finalizing my arguments and will post to somewhere on evolution or start a new debate called"evolutionary crap" or something like it.and the facts will say God is right

2.God gave us choice because he wanted us to love him and not be puppets on a string.nothing else. he gave us choice to love him and spend eternity in heaven...or not and go to eternal damnation.He wants people who love him not him pulling the strings saying "you will love me"

hope that sorts out the questions
God bless

[concerro]

To start off, should it be legalised?
Not if a majority of the society says no(remember, we are speaking about democratic nations here such as America)
In my opinion, NO(maybe when hell freezes over...)

There are major implications for society such as
1-the creation of women as sex objects(note the female prostitutes)
if women become sex toys , we are heading to even darker times then society is already in.Men will have no respect for women as they will be seen as "just another piece of skin which i can now pay money to get"

2-Society will start to experience a moral degeneration as we have never seen before. As soon as you stat to put a price on the God given privilege of sexual intercourse, you stat to turn it into a commodity. "lets go buy some sex...."it will ultimately lead to people further losing the respect that we should have for the beautiful creation that God has given us.Once sex becomes a commodity, there will be little respect for it and all women become(linking back to the first point) is two boobs and a different set of genitals.nothing important.What message will that send to the youth?(especially your sexually longing teens)
Should we be breeding a society that is so bent on sex that it really becomes a degenerative society bent on as much frivolous pleasure as possible!!!???

3-my next point is that "controlling the industry" as many people hope it will do will just leave more loopholes for trafficers to move around prostitutes.It will be like legalising trafficing or just making it easier if you falsify the documents to make them "legal" prostitutes. No government polices can outlaw this and I'm sure that most will focus on more pressing issues such as violent crimes.there wont be sufficient resources to guarantee industry control.also this won't lead in any way to the protection of prostitutes on the "job".

4-my last point before I move onto whether it is right or wrong is essentially asking the question of what legalising prostitution will indeed lead to next?Can't be anything overall constructive for society, can it be.

Is prostitution right or wrong?
I firmly believe(as you have gathered by now) that it is indeed wrong.
Right being something that causes no harm to themselves/anyone else.
Wrong being that it does cause harm to themselves/any one else
It is thus clearly wrong because it not only harms the prostitutes(via sexually tramsmitted diseases etc) but also destroys our perception of sex(and mostly women becoming sex objets) and society's moral fibre.

how is legalising prostitution making women sex toys? you make it sound like making it legal will make every woman a prostitute. it wont increase it because the men that wont do it wont do it anyway. The men who dont pay for sex dont avoid doing it bcos it is illegal. The avoid it bcos they feel it is immoral or bcos they have to much pride to pay someone to do it.

As for the paying for it. There has never been free sex. With a gf you pay for it over several dates instead of a lumpsum and you hope that love is the driving factor. With a prostitute you know what's up. I am not saying that makes it ok, but I understand why they do it. Sometime a man just wants to have sex without all the hassel that normally comes with it, and at least he wont have to lie to some woman to get her in bed

The checks on prostitution will be done by the gov't so unless you are paying someone off *That wont happen. *That=loopholes

I dont think it will affect anyone.


I will make a better argument when you reply. I was rushed

p.s.(edited for grammatical errors that made the post hard to understand at some points, no changes to the post made)revision 1.1.

[Bugmaster]

I would argue that it's the prohibition of prostitution that turns women into sex objects. If a woman wants to sell her sexual services for money, and you are forcefully preventing her from doing so, you are essentially saying, "all your sex are belong to me". That's not very nice.

[seen da light]

now i wonder what tells me you play warcraft 3 bugmaster???
(allyourbasrearebelongtous)
something tells me an orc said it...

But besides that,with the degree of choice that comes with "choosing" to be a prostitute,is it still correct for us to be turning a beautiful thing into a commodity"sex, only so may dollars"-really civilised of us isn't it?

If she wants sex so badly,then we should be looking at why as opposed to allowing it. Its like telling someone who wants to kill some one else that "we will legalise it just because you want to do it."no regard for the greater society.
I may be able to resist and most likely all the people reading this , but will the sex mad generations coming be able to? essentially, this will just be a way to let any value we have ever held as a society and a nation slip away because someone wants to lie on her back for a living.

If someone wants sexual pleasure so badly, there are other means for them (if they don't believe in Christ).If Otherwise, then walk in faith with Christ and you will get through your stage of sexual desires until you get married.Prostitution is never the way.there are always others.

Allowing it will just lead to the mentality of "I want now, I get now" to be followed out further with devastating consequences for the future.

God bless and may you also see the light

[concerro]

If she wants sex so badly,then we should be looking at why as opposed to allowing it. Its like telling someone who wants to kill some one else that "we will legalise it just because you want to do it."no regard for the greater society.
I may be able to resist and most likely all the people reading this , but will the sex mad generations coming be able to? essentially, this will just be a way to let any value we have ever held as a society and a nation slip away because someone wants to lie on her back for a living.

Killing someone and having sex for money are not even comparable, and calling future generations "sex mad" is an assumption with no way to validation. Just because prostition is legalised that does not mean everyone will do it. That arguement would mean that any woman who got pregnant would get an abortion. The two are comparable becos the they are both easy ways out of a situation that many people find themsleves in. It's like I said before the people who will do are the ones who would do it anyway, and the others wont do it.

If someone wants sexual pleasure so badly, there are other means for them (if they don't believe in Christ).If Otherwise, then walk in faith with Christ and you will get through your stage of sexual desires until you get married.Prostitution is never the way.there are always others.

Allowing it will just lead to the mentality of "I want now, I get now" to be followed out further with devastating consequences for the future.

God bless and may you also see the light

Sex is not always about sex. A lot of guys just do it for attention. Some guys are married with good wives and still pay for sex. I dont know why, but I know people who have done it.
You are making a lot of claims without any supporting arguments, and you never explained of your other ways.

[Bugmaster]

now i wonder what tells me you play warcraft 3 bugmaster???

I do, but that phrase is actually a known internet fad that predates it.

But besides that,with the degree of choice that comes with "choosing" to be a prostitute,is it still correct for us to be turning a beautiful thing into a commodity"sex, only so may dollars"-really civilised of us isn't it?

It's not up to you. It's up to the person deciding whether to sell their body. Who are you to tell people what's beautiful and what's not ?

If she wants sex so badly,then we should be looking at why as opposed to allowing it. Its like telling someone who wants to kill some one else that "we will legalise it just because you want to do it."no regard for the greater society.

Are you saying that prostitution harms the society ? If so, how ? And where's the evidence ?

Currently, prostitution is a risky business, involving a lot of shady criminal agents -- but that is precisely because prostitution is illegal ! If prostitution was legalized, the criminal elements surrounding it would go away (and prostitutes could get their own labor unions, too).

In fact, we currently have several professions where people sell their bodies -- teamsters, security guards, soldiers, fast food workers... Are you proposing to criminalize them, too ?

I may be able to resist and most likely all the people reading this , but will the sex mad generations coming be able to?

Are you implying that sex is inherently evil ?

Allowing it will just lead to the mentality of "I want now, I get now" to be followed out further with devastating consequences for the future.

In this case, we should criminalize fast food, microwave ovens, credit cards, air conditioning, and especially the Internet.