Why is killing wrong?

[scorpia]

Well? Why is it, outside of religion? It is according to the law of my country, mostly, outside of debates such as euthenasia or self-defence. But then there's other countries, where it's legal say for a woman who caught her husband cheating to kill him. It's fine for them to do so in a jealous rage. Why not elsewhere? Becase it's appallling? What about the other emotions involved? How about how the jealous wife feels?

[sledheavy]

Well? Why is it, outside of religion? It is according to the law of my country, mostly, outside of debates such as euthenasia or self-defence. But then there's other countries, where it's legal say for a woman who caught her husband cheating to kill him. It's fine for them to do so in a jealous rage. Why not elsewhere? Becase it's appallling? What about the other emotions involved? How about how the jealous wife feels?

:2gun:

I have heard where in some countries men can kill their wives with impunity.
Please advise what country you are referring to in your post?

The Bible states that justice is near an eye for an eye.
How do we apply this to sin if man can sin for 120yrs., and the penalty of hell is 12000000000000000000000yrs.,+.

Regards
DL

killing is not wrong, murder is.

This kind of stupid response adds nothing to a discussion and is beneath the intelligence you display elsewhere.

If you do not have the time or have no thing to add just say so and run away.
Do not make us think your an idiot.

Regards
DL

this must be to SIMPLE for you,

but i'll spell it out for even the simplist of minds.


it may be NECESSARY to kill; to protect my family, self defence.

BUT MURDER IS TAKING A LIFE FOR THE WRONG REASON.

really not that dense now is it. USE YOUR HEAD.FOR MORE THAN A COAT RACK

Just because it's necessary under certain conditions doesn't make it right. It's just an excuse.

Protecting your family, big perogative. Having a gun rack and an arsenal to choose how to kill the person entering the house, that's in excess. If you take joy in the idea, or think about how you're going to perform it, then your intentions revolving around the situation are immoral and wrong. That's as big a condition as saying you're killing someone for all the right reasons. It just doesn't make sense when said, because no one should want to kill someone.

It would be more right to put a sign outside that you're a gun owner rather than anticipate someone to enter so you can have a 'valid chance' at ending a life. That's wanting to kill in a situation that could very well be avoided. And thus incorporating a more worse immoral intent.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against guns. I live in arizona of all places, I'm wearing a scottsdale gun club hat, lol. But there is a line I choose not to cross because my intentions will dictate my choices.

Is it necessary? not if it can be avoided. And the way you made it sound it implies to me you're just waiting for the chance. A lot of wrong comes out of the situations that arise from that.

[arayhay]

Well? Why is it, outside of religion? It is according to the law of my country, mostly, outside of debates such as euthenasia or self-defence. But then there's other countries, where it's legal say for a woman who caught her husband cheating to kill him. It's fine for them to do so in a jealous rage. Why not elsewhere? Becase it's appallling? What about the other emotions involved? How about how the jealous wife feels?

:2gun:

I have heard where in some countries men can kill their wives with impunity.
Please advise what country you are referring to in your post?

The Bible states that justice is near an eye for an eye.
How do we apply this to sin if man can sin for 120yrs., and the penalty of hell is 12000000000000000000000yrs.,+.

Regards
DL

killing is not wrong, murder is.

This kind of stupid response adds nothing to a discussion and is beneath the intelligence you display elsewhere.

If you do not have the time or have no thing to add just say so and run away.
Do not make us think your an idiot.

Regards
DL

this must be to SIMPLE for you,

but i'll spell it out for even the simplist of minds.


it may be NECESSARY to kill; to protect my family, self defence.

BUT MURDER IS TAKING A LIFE FOR THE WRONG REASON.

really not that dense now is it. USE YOUR HEAD.FOR MORE THAN A COAT RACK

Just because it's necessary under certain conditions doesn't make it right. It's just an excuse.

Protecting your family, big purgative. Having a gun rack and an arsenal to choose how to kill the person entering the house, that's in excess. If you take joy in the idea, or think about how you're going to perform it, then your intentions revolving around the situation are immoral and wrong. That's as big a condition as saying you're killing someone for all the right reasons. It just doesn't make sense when said, because no one should want to kill someone.

It would be more right to put a sign outside that you're a gun owner rather than anticipate someone to enter so you can have a 'valid chance' at ending a life. That's wanting to kill in a situation that could very well be avoided. And thus incorporating a more worse immoral intent.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against guns. I live in arizona of all places, I'm wearing a scottsdale gun club hat, lol. But there is a line I choose not to cross because my intentions will dictate my choices.

Is it necessary? not if it can be avoided. And the way you made it sound it implies to me you're just waiting for the chance. A lot of wrong comes out of the situations that arise from that.

i don't own a sling shot lol. but the Marines taught me how to snap someones neck
if i have to. so far so good, i haven't had to. and i am 49 years old. times running out for me don't ya think. lol

your reading into what i said. i just said a time might arise when killing is necessary.
not that i enjoy it

[sledheavy]

:2gun:

I have heard where in some countries men can kill their wives with impunity.
Please advise what country you are referring to in your post?

The Bible states that justice is near an eye for an eye.
How do we apply this to sin if man can sin for 120yrs., and the penalty of hell is 12000000000000000000000yrs.,+.

Regards
DL

killing is not wrong, murder is.

This kind of stupid response adds nothing to a discussion and is beneath the intelligence you display elsewhere.

If you do not have the time or have no thing to add just say so and run away.
Do not make us think your an idiot.

Regards
DL

this must be to SIMPLE for you,

but i'll spell it out for even the simplist of minds.


it may be NECESSARY to kill; to protect my family, self defence.

BUT MURDER IS TAKING A LIFE FOR THE WRONG REASON.

really not that dense now is it. USE YOUR HEAD.FOR MORE THAN A COAT RACK

Just because it's necessary under certain conditions doesn't make it right. It's just an excuse.

Protecting your family, big purgative. Having a gun rack and an arsenal to choose how to kill the person entering the house, that's in excess. If you take joy in the idea, or think about how you're going to perform it, then your intentions revolving around the situation are immoral and wrong. That's as big a condition as saying you're killing someone for all the right reasons. It just doesn't make sense when said, because no one should want to kill someone.

It would be more right to put a sign outside that you're a gun owner rather than anticipate someone to enter so you can have a 'valid chance' at ending a life. That's wanting to kill in a situation that could very well be avoided. And thus incorporating a more worse immoral intent.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against guns. I live in arizona of all places, I'm wearing a scottsdale gun club hat, lol. But there is a line I choose not to cross because my intentions will dictate my choices.

Is it necessary? not if it can be avoided. And the way you made it sound it implies to me you're just waiting for the chance. A lot of wrong comes out of the situations that arise from that.

i don't own a sling shot lol. but the Marines taught me how to snap someones neck
if i have to. so far so good, i haven't had to. and i am 49 years old. times running out for me don't ya think. lol

your reading into what i said. i just said a time might arise when killing is necessary.
not that i enjoy it

well being that they are you're own intentions for if or when the moment arises, it'll be for only you to know. We can't say different. I can say different.

Obviously you didn't go into the marines to be a killing machine, and I can respect and appreciate that you did what you had to do regardless.

But If I implied insult with emotion in this discussion and topped it off with a ' :2gun: ' additude, lol, wouldn't I be sending mixed messages?

I read an article of a foreign exchange student getting shot over asking directions. He approached a man at his house and couldn't read the no trespassing signs, and unfortunately after warning him, the owner had no other choice than to assume he was trying to get in his house and killed him.

You and I are far more educated that the guy firing the gun in that article, but it still happens outside of our own personal intentions. Even though our government can't claim it wrong 9/10ths of the time, it's just what goes overlooked that ends up being wrong.

[arayhay]

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I read an article of a foreign exchange student getting shot over asking directions. He approached a man at his house and couldn't read the no trespassing signs, and unfortunately after warning him, the owner had no other choice than to assume he was trying to get in his house and killed him. 

You and I are far more educated that the guy firing the gun in that article, but it still happens outside of our own personal intentions. Even though our government can't claim it wrong 9/10ths of the time, it's just what goes overlooked that ends up being wrong.[/quote]

the government we live in and under are not Biblical equal. for instance the death penalty in the Bible becomes a death sentence in America. Once someone is found guilty in a Biblical sense they die. in America they have some 20 years to appeal.

[sledheavy]

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I read an article of a foreign exchange student getting shot over asking directions. He approached a man at his house and couldn't read the no trespassing signs, and unfortunately after warning him, the owner had no other choice than to assume he was trying to get in his house and killed him. 

You and I are far more educated that the guy firing the gun in that article, but it still happens outside of our own personal intentions. Even though our government can't claim it wrong 9/10ths of the time, it's just what goes overlooked that ends up being wrong.[/quote]

the government we live in and under are not Biblical equal. for instance the death penalty in the Bible becomes a death sentence in America. Once someone is found guilty in a Biblical sense they die. in America they have some 20 years to appeal.

Oh yeah don't get me wrong. I think over crowding in prisions is no solution either. But regardless of whether or not killing is deemed 'right' or 'wrong', we have to consider its one of the choices and consequences governments and religions demonstrate. How we affiliate in pertaining to that determines our morality as well.

By the way, my orig. family's from portville ny.

[arayhay]

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I read an article of a foreign exchange student getting shot over asking directions. He approached a man at his house and couldn't read the no trespassing signs, and unfortunately after warning him, the owner had no other choice than to assume he was trying to get in his house and killed him. 

You and I are far more educated that the guy firing the gun in that article, but it still happens outside of our own personal intentions. Even though our government can't claim it wrong 9/10ths of the time, it's just what goes overlooked that ends up being wrong.[/quote]

the government we live in and under are not Biblical equal. for instance the death penalty in the Bible becomes a death sentence in America. Once someone is found guilty in a Biblical sense they die. in America they have some 20 years to appeal.

Oh yeah don't get me wrong. I think over crowding in prisions is no solution either. But regardless of whether or not killing is deemed 'right' or 'wrong', we have to consider its one of the choices and consequences governments and religions demonstrate. How we affiliate in pertaining to that determines our morality as well.

By the way, my orig. family's from portville ny.

sled, which do you think is MORE of a deterrent, a death sentence or a death penalty ?

[sledheavy]

well if they do what they say they do, which would be prevent overall acts of crime I'd say both suffice. Specific deterrence is what ultimately comes into question because it's most fallible.

There are limits to when people can be rehabilitated, and if that limit is exceeded then something must be done.

What bothers me is the fact that there are SO many excuses for each individual action. 'They were drunk', 'they were forced', 'this person's insane'. The line between judgement is now grey, and we have to play god to decide the conditions and actions.

That consequently gives power to people who are quite possibly undiserving of power to decide the fate of another individual, and the systems fallibility is worsened.

It's all an issue of standards. When the standards of judgment are put upon others before their considered upon the individuals doing the judging.

At least in the old times people knew of the extreme consequences before hand.

lol, I've always brought this to question too. I was told in high school that the number of people today exceeds the amount of people ever born before. The point to me was that a lot of people were dying even though the population was low, and stupid people are kept alive and living because of technological advancements. When probably ages ago, they'd know of their consequences by losing a leg or dying. And the popultation was substancially less based on all, more harsh conditions.