Creationism: only in America

trencacloscas · Post by **trencacloscas** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:38 am

Why this creationist fuzz isn't happening anywhere else?

I live in Europe, and all this thing looks so ridiculous from here. Not even churches or religious fanatics go into such speculations. When the Berlusconi administration (Italy, right wing) pretended to ban the mention of Evolution from the first grades of schools, the scorn was so unanimous that they had to back off in shame, and this was probably the only incident remotely related to the issue.

So, why the U.S.A. is involved in this strange controversy?

trencacloscas · Post by **trencacloscas** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:36 am

According to a 2001 Gallup poll on the origins of humans, they estimate that 72% of Americans believe in some form of creationism (as defined above). They also estimate that about 45% of Americans concurred with the statement that "God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years."

Good information, micatala!
Isn't it astonishing?

One of the most industrially advanced countries in the world with such level of ignorance and disinformation?
Creepy...

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:16 am

trencacloscas wrote:So, this anachronic obstination to pass the Bible as some immutable truth, could it be rooted in the Protestant Reformation and the early days of the expansion of the British Empire?

It's more likely rooted in ancient Semitic and Neanderthal traditions which arose after Noah's family descended from the Ark in the Caucasus Mountain Range.

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:33 am

Chimp wrote:
"God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years."
This does not refute evolution, just that God had a hand in creating man in
his present form. Unfortunately, polls are vague and made less clear when
the poll questions are not submitted with the poll.

The only evolution of Man that God had a hand in was decreasing his life span to less than 120 years and slightly altering his morphology from that of Neanderthal Noah.

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:43 am

trencacloscas wrote: Good information, micatala!
Isn't it astonishing? One of the most industrially advanced countries in the world with such level of ignorance and disinformation?
Creepy...

U.S.A. bashing seems pretty popular in the defunct European Union nowadays, especially in secular 'Cro-Magnon' France.

QED · Post by **QED** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:09 am

According to a 2001 Gallup poll on the origins of humans, they estimate that 72% of Americans believe in some form of creationism (as defined above). They also estimate that about 45% of Americans concurred with the statement that "God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.

72% - that's what, over 200 million people? Does nobody stop and think "hey, wait a moment, what if we aren't some sort of special creation and we are just another branch of the animal kingdom after all?". Does nobody worry that they might be being ever so slightly vain and foolish?

Maybe then we have another explanation for creationism in American culture -- Europeans (especially the British), might be more self-conscious and introspective.

trencacloscas · Post by **trencacloscas** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:32 pm

Imagine! The whole inmense universe created only for a sub-species of primates that live in a tiny world of a little galaxy in the outskirts. Kinda a waste of energy...

trencacloscas · Post by **trencacloscas** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:37 pm

U.S.A. bashing seems pretty popular in the defunct European Union nowadays, especially in secular 'Cro-Magnon' France.

Wrong. U.S.A. bashing is popular throughout the whole world, for the whole world have scars from the U.S.A. imperialism. Does the expression 'Kyoto Protocol' ring a bell?

Chimp · Post by **Chimp** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:44 pm

jcrawford wrote:What evidence do "we" have to "suggest" such a racist idea since modern Neanderthals are just as modern as anyone else may claim to be?

We have several threads devoted to providing evidence. Rather than
honestly examining the evidence, you have taken a position of denial.
There are several sequences of neanderthal mtDNA that suggest that
there is no material contribution to homo sapiens sapiens from homo
neandertalis.

You might be required to admit fault occasionally. This would show a level
of maturity and honesty that would go a long way to excusing your otherwise
puerile behaviour. In fact, until you make a genuine effort to engage in an
above-board manner, you and your ideas will only attract ridicule and scorn.
I'm not saying this to be mean, but you obviously have a desire to present
your thoughts and beliefs. I'm offering some advice on how to do that more
effectively.

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:09 pm

Chimp wrote:
jcrawford wrote:What evidence do "we" have to "suggest" such a racist idea since modern Neanderthals are just as modern as anyone else may claim to be?

We have several threads devoted to providing evidence. Rather than
honestly examining the evidence, you have taken a position of denial.

I haven't seen any "evidence" to honestly examine. You just keep repeating the word, "evidence" like a neo-Darwinist mantra.

There are several sequences of neanderthal mtDNA that suggest that there is no material contribution to homo sapiens sapiens from homo
neandertalis.

Show me some mtDNA sequences from Heidleberg Man or a chimpanzee that suggest that there IS a material contribution to your genes from them.

Chimp · Post by **Chimp** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:54 pm

jcrawford wrote:Show me some mtDNA sequences from Heidleberg Man or a chimpanzee that suggest that there IS a material contribution to your genes from them.

Chimps and humans share a common ancestor, which is different than them
being our ancestors, so you will not see a contribution in humans from chimps.

As for evidence...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mtDNA.html#more