Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread:

Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

[TrueReligion]

Ok, so I guess you know more the lectures of Zakir Naik. and as per you said he is not giving the right view of Islam, so can you please tell me wats wrong in his lectures and teachings?

Well right off the bat it's obvious he plays fast and loose with the facts, saying anything he needs to in order to be right at the time. Just like you denying that Egyptians are arabs just to be right and then ignoring any requests to explain your position. Or how Naik claimed women greatly outnumbered men in order to justify his stance on polygamy, but when the facts are checked he is shown to be wrong. Does Naik go on to admit he was wrong, just like you the answer is no.

Wel, you can;t pitch out of the wicket, and ask for LBW,he play fast, dats his style,but he never gets loose with facts, and he give quote of verse always, whether if its Bible, Quran , Hadith, or any other scripture, so you can see if he is wrong or no
The time you mention of Egyptian, they were not arabs, dont you know ths history of Egypt??
What the number he gave of women, is international statistics, strange you dont know this, its a universal fact Wyvern
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/gender/gratiomap.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _sex_ratio

It seems like you do not want to follow any islamic authority other than this persons. A fatwa has been released on him and still you say it is everyone else and not him. The facts are thrown in your face as to how wrong he is and still you say everyone else is wrong not him. I'd say you should reflect on how much adoration you are giving this man and ask yourself who are you really worshipping, Allah or Naik.

Thats what im asking, who issued the fatwa and on what basis, what are the charges, can you tell us the charges please?
till you give charges on him, how would I know wat he has done wrong, and which country BAN entry for him, and wats the link of people who issued fatwa,
You didnt come with any evidence, and start giving statements, seems you have more knowledge of Islam now,

[McCulloch]

The time you mention of Egyptian, they were not arabs, dont you know ths history of Egypt??

Did you mean the country officially known as Arab Republic of Egypt
جمهورية مصر العربية
Gumhūriyyat Miṣr al-ʿArabiyyah
Who's official language is Arabic, which was once part, with Syria, of the United Arab Republic, a founding member of the League of Arab States (founded in Cairo) ?

Yes, it appears quite obvious to me that Egyptians are not Arabs.
Shhh... don't tell them, they don't know yet.

[Wyvern]

What the number he gave of women, is international statistics, strange you dont know this, its a universal fact Wyvern
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/gender/gratiomap.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _sex_ratio

Strange that you never seem to bother looking at the stats you give to support your claim. The stats worldwide are amazingly consistant in that the ratio is close to equal with the exception of a few countries whose populations have a higher male population which goes opposite of Nair's argument.

Thats what im asking, who issued the fatwa and on what basis, what are the charges, can you tell us the charges please?
till you give charges on him, how would I know wat he has done wrong, and which country BAN entry for him, and wats the link of people who issued fatwa,
You didnt come with any evidence, and start giving statements, seems you have more knowledge of Islam now,

Mera Naam Mohammad Ashraf hai, I am working as a software professional I want to know about Dr. Zakir Naik (Islamic Research Foundation ka Head). I know that he is fitna. But I want to show this fatwa to my friends and relatives. 1. Dr. Zakir Naik ka Bayan sunanaa chaahiye ki nahi. 2. Vo TV per aataa hai, TV ke baare me islaam kya kahataa hai. 3. Vo Tie aur suit pahanataa hai, sariyat ne is libaas ke baare me kya kahaa hai. 4. Vo khade hokar ulte haath se paani(water) peeta hai, is baare me sariyat kya kahti hai. 5. Vo Dusare Dharam(Religion) se Islam ka muzakaraa(Comparison) kartaa hai, yaani dusare Dharam ko neecha dihkaataa hai, kya sariyat is cheez ki izaazat deti hai. 6. Vo Aurato ( [Masturaat] [Ladees] ) ke beech me bhi bayaan kartaa hai, ye sariyat ki nazar me kaisi cheez hai. 7. Vo Islam aur Sunnat per research (tahkeek) kar rahaa hai, kyaa iski izaazat hai. 8. Usaki tasveer (photo) hamesha akhbaar(news paper), magzine me aati hai, Sariyat photo ke baare me kya kahti hai. Also I will tell you 1 truth, I know 1 person (Dr. Warsi) he has done PHD in Fiqua from Al-Azhar Egypt. He told me that once he attended Zakir Naik session, Dr. Warsi told me that his brother in law was IRF volunteer; he gave 1 cheat to Dr. Warsi and told him to ask the written question to Dr. Zakir Naik. Question was ?Gurugranth me Allah ka naam kha ayaa hai.? Dr. Warsi told I got scared that question was pre-prepared, then Dr. warsi asked the same question to Dr. Zakir naik and Dr. Warsi he himself answered (he read the line from Gurugranth publicly, as Allah also given him too much knowledge), after that he asked Dr. Zakir naik that I will ask you another Question that, Dr. Warsi Asked ?Gurugranth me Allah ka naam 2nd time khaa ayaa aur kyu ayaa.? After listing this question Dr. Zakir Naik get scared and told will meet later, Dr. Warsi again answered. Then He called Dr. Warsi to his office (in Mumbai) after meeting,Dr. Zakir Naik asked to whom you follow, Dr. warsi told I am mureed of Imam Ghazali. Dr. Zakir Naik told who is Imam Ghazali. Dr. warsi told him he is your father and left his office. 9. I want to ask you he don?t follow Imam Ghazali, which maslak he is from. Please meraa jawaab(Answer) kitaab(book) ke hawaale ke saath dena. Meraa matalab hai ki jawaab ke baaju me hawaale kaa naam bhi likh denaa, mujhe public ko dikhana hai. Note: Agar iske alaawa bhi usake baare me kuch aur baat ho to aap log vo bhi likh denaa. Answer: 9421 29 Dec, 2008 (Fatwa: 2355/2128=D/1429)



(1) The extracts quoted by the questioners about him indicate that he is having deviation; therefore one is most probably feared to fall in fitnah by listening his speeches.

(2, 3, 4, 6, 8) These matters are against Shariah, even some of them are unlawful and haram.

(5, 8) What do you mean by neecha dikhana? Please, clarify. Only the eligible ones are allowed to establish the truth of Islam and refute the false beliefs of others within Shariah limits.

(9) We are not aware of his maslak.

Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband issuer of the fatwa.

What does being banned from a country have to do with having a fatwa issued against you?

[TrueReligion]

The time you mention of Egyptian, they were not arabs, dont you know ths history of Egypt??

Did you mean the country officially known as Arab Republic of Egypt
جمهورية مصر العربية
Gumhūriyyat Miṣr al-ʿArabiyyah
Who's official language is Arabic, which was once part, with Syria, of the United Arab Republic, a founding member of the League of Arab States (founded in Cairo) ?

Yes, it appears quite obvious to me that Egyptians are not Arabs.
Shhh... don't tell them, they don't know yet.

Oh mine, you bring realy good work but still hard work you have to do before refuting me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt#Ancient_Egypt

Also, bring your source complete please, half source is not a good form of debate, you know well,

Egypt's Arab identity is complex, and Egypt was a coherent society long before the Arab invasions of the 7th century. However, after several hundred years, Egyptians converted to Islam en masse, around the time of the earliest Crusades. Religious conversion is a mysterious process and theories of repression or force are unsubstantiated by history or any documentary evidence.

Slowly, but inexorably, because of the country's conversion to Islam, Egyptians discarded the local Coptic language and embraced Arabic, so that Coptic ceased to be a popularly spoken language by the 17th century at the latest.

For 14 centuries, Arabs have been migrating to Egypt and mixing with the local population, but it is not true that the Arab migrations replaced the original Egyptian society, because Egypt has always been the most populous country in the Middle East and so modern Egyptians are more or less ancient Egyptians who converted to Islam and adopted the Arabic language.

It is not true that Egypt's original population was similar to sub-Saharan Africa, because that is obvious from most of the tomb painting and other artifacts, although some Egyptians have always been black, the majority of Egyptians in ancient times were neither black nor white.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/374780

Also,
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpr ... egyptians/

[TrueReligion]

What the number he gave of women, is international statistics, strange you dont know this, its a universal fact Wyvern
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/gender/gratiomap.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _sex_ratio

Strange tat you never seem to bother looking at the stats you give to support your claim. The stats worldwide are amazingly consistant in that the ratio is close to equal with the exception of a few countries whose populations have a higher male population which goes opposite of Nair's argument.

Oh realy, you didnt even know what a stats is Wyvern

From same source, the very 1st line.
The ratio of women living compared to men is called the sex ratio. In much of Europe, for example, there are approximately 105 women per 100 men, resulting in a sex ratio of 1.05.
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/gender/gratiomap.html

Ive seen 1st person, who say that women are les than man in the world

Thats what im asking, who issued the fatwa and on what basis, what are the charges, can you tell us the charges please?
till you give charges on him, how would I know wat he has done wrong, and which country BAN entry for him, and wats the link of people who issued fatwa,
You didnt come with any evidence, and start giving statements, seems you have more knowledge of Islam now,

Mera Naam Mohammad Ashraf hai, I am working as a software professional I want to know about Dr. Zakir Naik (Islamic Research Foundation ka Head). I know that he is fitna. But I want to show this fatwa to my friends and relatives. 1. Dr. Zakir Naik ka Bayan sunanaa chaahiye ki nahi. 2. Vo TV per aataa hai, TV ke baare me islaam kya kahataa hai. 3. Vo Tie aur suit pahanataa hai, sariyat ne is libaas ke baare me kya kahaa hai. 4. Vo khade hokar ulte haath se paani(water) peeta hai, is baare me sariyat kya kahti hai. 5. Vo Dusare Dharam(Religion) se Islam ka muzakaraa(Comparison) kartaa hai, yaani dusare Dharam ko neecha dihkaataa hai, kya sariyat is cheez ki izaazat deti hai. 6. Vo Aurato ( [Masturaat] [Ladees] ) ke beech me bhi bayaan kartaa hai, ye sariyat ki nazar me kaisi cheez hai. 7. Vo Islam aur Sunnat per research (tahkeek) kar rahaa hai, kyaa iski izaazat hai. 8. Usaki tasveer (photo) hamesha akhbaar(news paper), magzine me aati hai, Sariyat photo ke baare me kya kahti hai. Also I will tell you 1 truth, I know 1 person (Dr. Warsi) he has done PHD in Fiqua from Al-Azhar Egypt. He told me that once he attended Zakir Naik session, Dr. Warsi told me that his brother in law was IRF volunteer; he gave 1 cheat to Dr. Warsi and told him to ask the written question to Dr. Zakir Naik. Question was ?Gurugranth me Allah ka naam kha ayaa hai.? Dr. Warsi told I got scared that question was pre-prepared, then Dr. warsi asked the same question to Dr. Zakir naik and Dr. Warsi he himself answered (he read the line from Gurugranth publicly, as Allah also given him too much knowledge), after that he asked Dr. Zakir naik that I will ask you another Question that, Dr. Warsi Asked ?Gurugranth me Allah ka naam 2nd time khaa ayaa aur kyu ayaa.? After listing this question Dr. Zakir Naik get scared and told will meet later, Dr. Warsi again answered. Then He called Dr. Warsi to his office (in Mumbai) after meeting,Dr. Zakir Naik asked to whom you follow, Dr. warsi told I am mureed of Imam Ghazali. Dr. Zakir Naik told who is Imam Ghazali. Dr. warsi told him he is your father and left his office. 9. I want to ask you he don?t follow Imam Ghazali, which maslak he is from. Please meraa jawaab(Answer) kitaab(book) ke hawaale ke saath dena. Meraa matalab hai ki jawaab ke baaju me hawaale kaa naam bhi likh denaa, mujhe public ko dikhana hai. Note: Agar iske alaawa bhi usake baare me kuch aur baat ho to aap log vo bhi likh denaa. Answer: 9421 29 Dec, 2008 (Fatwa: 2355/2128=D/1429)



(1) The extracts quoted by the questioners about him indicate that he is having deviation; therefore one is most probably feared to fall in fitnah by listening his speeches.

(2, 3, 4, 6, 8) These matters are against Shariah, even some of them are unlawful and haram.

(5, 8) What do you mean by neecha dikhana? Please, clarify. Only the eligible ones are allowed to establish the truth of Islam and refute the false beliefs of others within Shariah limits.

(9) We are not aware of his maslak.

Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband issuer of the fatwa.

What does being banned from a country have to do with having a fatwa issued against you?

What is this all writen, can;t understand single word, I'am asking wat are the charges against him, as you claim, that he gives wrong teachings of Islam, so you have to give those wrong teachings, with authentic source.
Till now again you failed badly here Wyvern...

[McCulloch]

The time you mention of Egyptian, they were not arabs, dont you know ths history of Egypt??

Did you mean the country officially known as Arab Republic of Egypt
جمهورية مصر العربية
Gumhūriyyat Miṣr al-ʿArabiyyah
Who's official language is Arabic, which was once part, with Syria, of the United Arab Republic, a founding member of the League of Arab States (founded in Cairo) ?

Yes, it appears quite obvious to me that Egyptians are not Arabs.
Shhh... don't tell them, they don't know yet.

Oh mine, you bring realy good work but still hard work you have to do before refuting me.

Egypt's Arab identity is complex, [...]

Sufficient for me that Egypt's Arab identity is complex. In fact, I suspect that Arab identity is complex. Heck! My own Scottish / Irish / Canadian identity is complex.

What has this to do with the claims of scientific accuracy found in the Qur'an?

[TrueReligion]

The time you mention of Egyptian, they were not arabs, dont you know ths history of Egypt??

Did you mean the country officially known as Arab Republic of Egypt
جمهورية مصر العربية
Gumhūriyyat Miṣr al-ʿArabiyyah
Who's official language is Arabic, which was once part, with Syria, of the United Arab Republic, a founding member of the League of Arab States (founded in Cairo) ?

Yes, it appears quite obvious to me that Egyptians are not Arabs.
Shhh... don't tell them, they don't know yet.

Oh mine, you bring realy good work but still hard work you have to do before refuting me.

Egypt's Arab identity is complex, [...]

Sufficient for me that Egypt's Arab identity is complex. In fact, I suspect that Arab identity is complex. Heck! My own Scottish / Irish / Canadian identity is complex.

What has this to do with the claims of scientific accuracy found in the Qur'an?

This issue was brought by Wyvern in post 421,

Arabs had excelled in astronomy not hundreds but literally thousands of years before the rise of islam. In particular Egypt and the mesopotamian city-states of Isin, Larsa and Babylon were very advanced in the field of astronomy.

For this I replied Wyvern, that Egyptians were not among arabs at that time. they become arabs after Muslims came to Egypt, otherwise Egypt is part of Northern Africa.

Thats why I request youto check the previous post, that for what reason this issue of Egypt was discussed.

Anyway, I tried my best to remain in OP, but other issues is deviating from OP.

[Wyvern]

From same source, the very 1st line.
The ratio of women living compared to men is called the sex ratio. In much of Europe, for example, there are approximately 105 women per 100 men, resulting in a sex ratio of 1.05.
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/gender/gratiomap.html

Then your two sources are at odds.

Ive seen 1st person, who say that women are les than man in the world

Good thing I didn't say that then.

What is this all writen, can;t understand single word, I'am asking wat are the charges against him, as you claim, that he gives wrong teachings of Islam, so you have to give those wrong teachings, with authentic source.
Till now again you failed badly here Wyvern

Thats what im asking, who issued the fatwa and on what basis, what are the charges, can you tell us the charges please?
till you give charges on him, how would I know wat he has done wrong, and which country BAN entry for him, and wats the link of people who issued fatwa,
You didnt come with any evidence, and start giving statements, seems you have more knowledge of Islam now,

(1) The extracts quoted by the questioners about him indicate that he is having deviation; therefore one is most probably feared to fall in fitnah by listening his speeches.

(2, 3, 4, 6, 8) These matters are against Shariah, even some of them are unlawful and haram.

(5, 8) What do you mean by neecha dikhana? Please, clarify. Only the eligible ones are allowed to establish the truth of Islam and refute the false beliefs of others within Shariah limits.

(9) We are not aware of his maslak.

Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband issuer of the fatwa.

This states who issued the fatwa and why. Stop moving the goal posts, I show what you ask and you change what you want to something else. I have shown who issued the fatwa as you asked and the reasons are listed which also satisfies your request.

[TrueReligion]

From same source, the very 1st line.
The ratio of women living compared to men is called the sex ratio. In much of Europe, for example, there are approximately 105 women per 100 men, resulting in a sex ratio of 1.05.
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/gender/gratiomap.html

Then your two sources are at odds.

Ive seen 1st person, who say that women are les than man in the world

Good thing I didn't say that then.

What is this all writen, can;t understand single word, I'am asking wat are the charges against him, as you claim, that he gives wrong teachings of Islam, so you have to give those wrong teachings, with authentic source.
Till now again you failed badly here Wyvern

Thats what im asking, who issued the fatwa and on what basis, what are the charges, can you tell us the charges please?
till you give charges on him, how would I know wat he has done wrong, and which country BAN entry for him, and wats the link of people who issued fatwa,
You didnt come with any evidence, and start giving statements, seems you have more knowledge of Islam now,

(1) The extracts quoted by the questioners about him indicate that he is having deviation; therefore one is most probably feared to fall in fitnah by listening his speeches.

(2, 3, 4, 6, 8) These matters are against Shariah, even some of them are unlawful and haram.

(5, 8) What do you mean by neecha dikhana? Please, clarify. Only the eligible ones are allowed to establish the truth of Islam and refute the false beliefs of others within Shariah limits.

(9) We are not aware of his maslak.

Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband issuer of the fatwa.

This states who issued the fatwa and why. Stop moving the goal posts, I show what you ask and you change what you want to something else. I have shown who issued the fatwa as you asked and the reasons are listed which also satisfies your request.

Wyvern, where are the charges against him? fatwa any1 can issue, but what are the charges? you have to show the charges against him, like following..

1- He is giving different teaching than ALLAH
2- He is giving different teaching as of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and what are those teachings
3- If he is bringing hatred among muslims or non-muslims?

etc etc..

[TrueReligion]

MOUNTAINS ARE LIKE PEGS (STAKES)

In Geology, the phenomenon of ‘folding’ is a recently discovered fact.
Folding is responsible for the formation of mountain ranges. The earth’s
crust, on which we live, is like a solid shell, while the deeper layers are hot
and fluid, and thus inhospitable to any form of life. It is also known that the
stability of the mountains is linked to the phenomenon of folding, for it was
the folds that were to provide foundations for the reliefs that constitute the
mountains. Geologists tell us that the radius of the Earth is about 3,750 miles
and the crust on which we live is very thin, ranging between 1 to 30 miles.
Since the crust is thin, it has a high possibility of shaking. Mountains act like
stakes or tent pegs that hold the earth’s crust and give it stability. The Qur’aan
contains exactly such a description in the following verse: “Have We not
made The earth as a wide Expanse, And the mountains as pegs?� [Al-
Qur’aan 78:6-7]
The word awtad means stakes or pegs (like those used to anchor a tent); they
are the deep foundations of geological folds. A book named ‘Earth’ is
considered as a basic reference textbook on geology in many universities
around the world. One of the authors of this book is Frank Press, who was the
President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA for 12 years and was the
Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter. In this book he
illustrates the mountain in a wedge-shape and the mountain itself as a small
part of the whole, whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground.5 According
to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role in stabilizing the crust of
the earth.
The Qur’aan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
“And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them.� [Al-Qur’aan 21:31]

5 Earth, Press and Siever, p. 435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens,
p. 157.

MOUNTAINS FIRMLY FIXED
The surface of the earth is broken into many rigid plates that are about 100
km in thickness. These plates float on a partially molten region called
aesthenosphere. Mountain formations occur at the boundary of the plates. The
earth’s crust is 5 km thick below oceans, about 35 km thick below flat
continental surfaces and almost 80 km thick below great mountain ranges.
These are the strong foundations on which mountains stand. The Qur’aan also
speaks about the strong mountain foundations in the following verse: “And
the mountains Hath He firmly fixed.� [Al-Qur’aan 79:32] 6

6 A similar message is contained in the Qur’an in 88:19, 31:10 and 16:15