Is Suicide a sin?

[McCulloch]

In another thread:

Christians don't commit suicide?

Nope. It is a sin to kill oneself.

Is suicide in all circumstances a sin? What is suicide? Is passive suicide also a sin?

We have heard of "suicide by Cop" to mean that someone causes their own death by putting a police officer in a situation where he must kill him. Is there a parallel of "suicide by martyrdom"? Did Jesus commit suicide by allowing himself to be killed when he, by his own admission, could have prevented it?

[weird7]

you are irritating me because you have not read my previous post and are requiring me to repeat myself. this will be my last post in this thread so please say nothing else...... I'm tired of getting replies asking the same thing over and over.

I apologize if I am irritating you. It is not my intention. If you want the thread to die please feel free not to respond. However, I do not keep asking the same questions - they are separate and distinct.

..... 2. no you can not avoid all sin there is still the sin of doing everything that you did to get the cop to shoot you.

I have another "distinct" question and again feel free not to respond. What sin is this?

..... in affect we are commanded to follow the law unless it contradicts God's law.

So, you are saying that it is a sin to jaywalk? And a sin to tie a giraffe to a telephone pole in Atlanta, GA <- For humor's sake.

.... thusly breaking the numerous, various laws to get shot is a sin.

What numerous laws are these? A apologize for being so dense.

[jasonm1848]

that entirely depends. research everyone killed by a cop and you'd probably see a trend. A cop doesn't shoot someone who was just walking bye. well... most of the time. you had to have shot someone, robbed someone, shot at the cop, or something huge to get that to happen which follows the sins of murder, thievery, and so forth. and unfortunately it is possible that breaking those great retarded laws is a sin in some regard. we are encouraged to pray numerous times everyday for forgiveness of sin because we sin numerous times without even realizing it. it's not something to concern yourself over though for the psalmist wrote paraphrased that if it was sin god watched no man could stand. those small things are easily looked over if forgiveness is asked for. breaking the 10 commandments is a little more serious. like murder and thievery.

[weird7]

Thank you. I think I finally understand your position: suicide is only suicide if you directly kill yourself, however, putting someone in the position to choose their life over yours is most likely a sin. In other words, if I understand you correctly, "suicide by cop" is in fact not suicide, but most likely is a sin nevertheless.

[sledheavy]

"In poverty, he says, a man can attain the innate nobility of soul that is not possilbe in beggary; for while society may drive the poor man out with a stick, the begger will be swept out with a broom..."

-Dostoyevsky

The beggar, who is totally demeaned; immobalized by fear and dispair, commits self murder. He's easily removed.

Huey P. Newton considers this an act of reactionary suicide, clearly based on social conditions.

Are we to say that a person who commits suicide from social conditions is any less than a person dying for a cause?

Only after we consider the idea of the "anti hero" does suicide make sense.

It's the basic principle of the idealist: in certain conditions they play the bad guy in order for a mass of people to see truth.

Sometimes they even blow up buildings, just to show how much they care about humanity's direction.

there is nothing more radical and true than that.

[Ashlady]

I believe that a person who plans with certainty to take their own life is judged the same as if dying naturally or by other means.
If that person knows the truth of Jesus, and understands the message of God's salvation by the Son, BUT yet can't handle life as they know it, God doesn't take away their standing with him, however once this person knows the truth of God when they meet Him and understand what they did, they must live with this, however again Jesus will cause this person to advance past this sin against himself and his God, by choosing to take what was not his to take.
There is nothing about this in the Bible and anyone who claims a passage is addressing this is ripping that verse out of context and mis-using the word of God.
The Bible is silent on this act because of the human reasoning factor when this act is calculated.
for instance
A person likes going fast and knows that going fast in a car on a particular road will 99% kill him, and so he attempts it and dies, what was in his mind at the time...
lets say, He said within his own mind, I don't care if I die, so I will try it......is that not the same....He doesn't care if he dies and welcomes it.
The one who reasons to put a gun to his head is in the same mind state, just because the guy with the gun leaves no 1% way out, which he already said he didn't want anyway and didn't care if he had it doesn't mean anything here.
Anytime one puts himself into a situation where death is the 99% plus chance, one has chosen to die at ones own choosing.... so this is why it is not covered in the Bible.
BESIDES
Like I said, if that person is in a state of existence where they know they have believed the truth of their standing with God, and trusts it, do they not stand to their Lord?, even though they think of participating in an event that would kill them.
I have known pastors sons who have taken their lives, and lived in faith in God, however they have lost their way in sin and can't seem to get past the shame of their actions.
Job said, God said, he created the dragon type animal which caused FEAR in the minds of all who look at it.
God create animals with meat ripping teeth, To attempt to take your own life before that horrible being eats me, is a good thing, God loves me still .
I will not go by mythical religious so call spiritual thinking here. The bible is silent on suicide all we can do is use our God given common sense on this topic.

Ash