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Question to/about Americans.

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As you all know (oldies) i have not been very active during the last year or so. I apologize for this and wish to point out that i Love this site. I think Otseng, even the Theist (JOKE) scumm He is :D, has created a very FAIR and open debate forum for all of us, and I can find very few Forums like this.

As a starter, I will go on the General Chat and talk Americans, as most of you are americans, and simple ask some questions, and I would like to have Your, Honest View about it.


I was sitting and "watching" a movie called "War of the World" with a Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise (dont remember), i only remember the original book/movie, so this was "interesting" to watch. Several (Everything happen in the U.S) of the people stated "how could they defeat the greatest power in the World" several times, and it was clear they refered to the United States (As americans generally dont know anything about the rest of the World), and it came to me like a Flash, Could This be the reason why Americans believe they are the best in the world?

Historically we know the basis for the general ignorance about the World americans Hold (Note: The AVERAGE American), I do not know if americans themselves know this, as I understood american History is not very accurate, but as refreshment for the New Generation:

During the Beginning and End of Second World War, the american population had little or no knowledge about what was actually going on. The U.S, both people and Government had seen Chancellor Adolf Hitler as a great rolemodel, but as the War in Europe Began, all that was ignored/pretended never to have been said, and now Germany was "Evil", and Adolf Hitler was a "Bad Guy". The so called Holocaust was not known until after the war, which most contemporary americans have no knowledge about.

When the war finally "Finished" (Officially), the american government did not tell the american people that it was the Soviet Union whom actually dealt with the War, whiles the U.S only sent an equal amount of troops to the British. Actually, 80% of the German Army (The most powerfull and skilled Army in the World during this time) was fought by the Soviet Union, which was also seen as "Evil" (The Allies).

The Government instead avoided talking about it, and let the americna people believe They where the ones "taking care of business", and said nothing about the Soviets. 60 Years later, the people still believe this, and seemingly the American History books have been altered to fit the fale propaganda, and personally, I believe that the lied so much to themselves, Both choosen Government, as well as the people, that they seriously believe their own lies.


Could this be the case?

Americans rarely admits anyone else being "Better" then them, and simple ignore Reality. Especially when it comes to the Evil/Jealous Europeans. But at the Same time, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrary are all seen as a sign of "Best" / "Superiority" Etc, all European Cars. I know States and counties whom have the funds, would change their Police cars into Swedish Volvos instead, as they are of better quality then American Cars.

We should not even talk about the Mobile Phone Industries, which the U.S are years behind compared to Europe and Asia.


But this is no Bash, this is rather self-reflection, Could what i say be True !?



BIG NOTE: This is about the AVERAGE, General American, We all have Idiots and Morrons everywhere. Just a General View.
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McCulloch wrote:
ST88 wrote:I feel I have to add here that the borders of most nations are and "accident of history", either culturally specific or language-specific groups or geographic features in and of themselves.
That straight line that runs across the prairie dividing my country from the USA is an arbitrary accident of history.
Wasn't it a deliberate accident?
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ST88 wrote:Many Americans see America as being very different in terms of the way the nation was founded... whereas other nations were founded on, as you say, geographical or political accidents.
Ideas like freedom of speech and religion, separation of church and state, no taxation without representation, government directly responsible to the electorate, human rights. While many countries (including mine) may not have been founded on these principles, we have come to appreciate and adopt them. At the same time, certain forces in the USA seem to be trying to erode them.
True. But the point is not that there are nations that now have accepted many of these ideas, but that America was the trailblazer, that Americans will always have that special place in history, that the Founders had me in mind (every "me" there is in the U.S.) when they drew up those documents -- gives it a kind of historical power that other countries don't have. WelshBoy was saying he felt no kinship with historical Englanders, but many Americans feel this kinship with the Founders because the decisions they made over 200 years ago affect our lives in very real ways today. And, of course, there is the recent erosion due to paranoia and the result of a cynical foreign policy.
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ST88 wrote:Wasn't it a deliberate accident?
Yes, but it is entirely arbitrary.
ST88 wrote:But the point is not that there are nations that now have accepted many of these ideas, but that America was the trailblazer, that Americans will always have that special place in history, that the Founders had me in mind (every "me" there is in the U.S.) when they drew up those documents -- gives it a kind of historical power that other countries don't have.
The Athenians, the French existentialists and the American founding fathers all made wonderful contributions to the ideas of democratic human rights.
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