The LORD of Glory

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Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 2:7-8, “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.”

The phrase, “Lord of Glory” is a Hebraism for Glorious Lord, a title applied to the Jehovah in the Old Testament, then revealed in the New.

Isaiah 33:21, “The glorious LORD (Jehovah) will be unto us a place of broad rivers and streams;”

Psalms 24:8-10, “Who is the King of glory? The LORD (Jehovah) strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.”

Verse 10, “Who is this King of glory?

This is what Paul meant when he wrote, “We speak of the wisdom of God in a mystery.” Jesus was that mystery, the glorious LORD, the LORD of glory.”

Manoah, the father of Samson, asked the angel of the LORD, Judges 13:17, “What is your name?”

He answered, “Why ask you thus after my name, seeing it is secret?” An Old Testament secret, revealed in the person of Jesus Christ, the "Lord of glory."

Acts 7:2, “The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham,”
He who was crucified as to his manhood, is the Lord of Glory, Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

[1213]

Would you accept that Jesus can be worshiped but of different level/kind of worship to the Father?

I think the word worship is not good. More accurate is "bow to". And as the Bible shows, people can bow to a king and it is not the same as worshiping someone as the God.

and they, having bowed [worshiped in many translations] before him, did turn back to Jerusalem with great joy,
Luke 24:52
"For you shall not bow [worship in many translations] to another god, for Jehovah whose name is Jealous, He is a jealous God;"
Exodus 34:14
And after the death of Jehoiada, the leaders of Judah came in and bowed [can be also translated worship] themselves to the king; then the king listened to them.
2 Chr. 24:17

I believe Jesus is the king, and he then can be "worshiped" as the king.

[A Freeman]

It's not an interpretation; it's a fact. Prince Michael is God's Firstborn/First-Created Son, whom God anointed to be our King.....

When Bible doesn't say directly so, it is your interpretation, not a fact.

And yet the Bible does directly reveal the FACT that The Messiah/Christ is Prince Michael.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the Commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

It says "Messiah the Prince", not "Michael". Bible doesn't say Michael is the Messiah.

And who is The Great Prince (aka "the Prince of Peace" - Isaiah 9:6-7)?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up, THE GREAT PRINCE which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

How could The Great Prince Michael not be Christ? Has God sent two deliverers? Are there two advocates/mediators between God and the children of Israel?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth him should not perish, but have Everlasting Life.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, the Truth, and the Life: NOT one man cometh unto the Father, EXCEPT by me.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous (1 Tim. 2:5):

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God (not a 3=1 "trinity"), and ONE mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;

[1213]

...How could The Great Prince Michael not be Christ?

Thank you for the explanation. I think it is a wrong interpretation. And i have given the reason why I think so in previous posts.

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God (not a 3=1 "trinity"), and ONE mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;

So, you think Michael a man, not an angel?

[A Freeman]

...How could The Great Prince Michael not be Christ?

Thank you for the explanation.

You're welcome.

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God (not a 3=1 "trinity"), and ONE mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;

So, you think Michael a man, not an angel?

No.

Prince Michael/Christ is the Chief Archangel, aka "The Angel of The LORD God (the Angel of the "I AM"). ALL of the angels are SPIRITUAL-BEINGS/SOULS just as God is (John 4:24) and just as we are (Ps. 82:6; John 3:3-7).

God sent Prince Michael/Christ to incarnate the human body of Jesus (]John 1:14), becoming the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ.

Jesus was obviously of this world, as Jesus was born here on Earth (in Bethlehem, descended from king David), lived here on Earth, and was crucified and died here on Earth, before being resurrected 3 days and 3 nights later by God.

Prince Michael/Christ is obviously NOT OF THIS WORLD as He told us through the mouth of Jesus.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews (Rev. 2:9; 3:9): but now is my kingdom not from hence.

How can anyone get to KNOW The One True God (our Father, which art in heaven) AND Prince Michael/Christ, whom Father sent, if they don't know that They are Spiritual-Beings (with a true, spiritual Father-Son relationship)?

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast SENT.

[1213]

So, you think Michael a man, not an angel?

No....

Ok. If Michael is an angel and Bible tells Jesus is higher than angels, Michael can't be Jesus?

having become so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they have. For to which of the angels did he say at any time, "You are my Son, Today have I become your father?" and again, "I will be to him a Father, And he will be to me a Son?" Again, when he brings in the firstborn into the world he says, "Let all the angels of God worship him." Of the angels he says, "Who makes his angels winds, And his servants a flame of fire." but of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your Kingdom.
Heb. 1:4-8

[A Freeman]

So, you think Michael a man, not an angel?

No....

Ok. If Michael is an angel and Bible tells Jesus is higher than angels, Michael can't be Jesus?

having become so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they have. For to which of the angels did he say at any time, "You are my Son, Today have I become your father?" and again, "I will be to him a Father, And he will be to me a Son?" Again, when he brings in the firstborn into the world he says, "Let all the angels of God worship him." Of the angels he says, "Who makes his angels winds, And his servants a flame of fire." but of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your Kingdom.
Heb. 1:4-8

What you appear to be struggling with is understanding the difference between the spirit and the flesh.

The "spirit" = a spiritual-Being/Soul/Jinn/angel/god (John 3:3-7)

The "flesh" = animal life and, in this context, is specifically referring to the human, with its carnal mind (Rom. 8:5-8)

When God places a soul (spiritual-Being) inside of a human, they become a human+Being (Gen. 2:7).

When God placed Prince Michael/Christ INSIDE of the human son of Mary named Jesus, They became the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ.

John 1:6-14
1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.
1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through the Light might believe.
1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.
1:9 [That] was the True Light, which Lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
1:10 He (Prince Michael/Christ) was in the world, and the world was made by him (Heb. 1:2), and the world (humans) knew him not (could not SEE him inside the body of Jesus).
1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the (adopted) sons of God, [even] to them that believe in his identity:
1:13 Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man (human), but of God (Who is Spirit).
1:14 And the Word was made flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only incarnated of the Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).

You keep quoting from Hebrews 1, as if it somehow is saying that Christ isn't a CREATED BEING, and allegedly isn't a fellow angel when the exact opposite is obviously true.

Hebrews 1:1-9
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds (John 1:10);
1:3 Who (Christ) being the brightness of [His/God's] glory, and the express image of His (God's) person, and upholding all things by The Word of His (God's) power, when he (Christ) had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty (God) on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he (Christ) hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name* than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten (created) thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?
1:6 And again, when He (God) bringeth in the first begotten (firstborn/first-created - Prince Michael/Christ) into the world, He (God) saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (Christ - see: 1 Cor. 11:3).
1:7 And unto the angels He (God) saith, Who maketh His (God's) angels spirits (Beings), and His (God's) ministers a flame of fire (energy).
1:8 But, unto the Son who saith "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of Thy Kingdom":
1:9 Thou (Christ) hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee (Christ) with the oil of gladness above thy (Christ's) fellows (spirit-beings).

Hebrews 1:8-9 is meant to be a direct quote from Psalm 45:6-7.

Psalm 45:6-7
45:6 Thy Throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of Thy Kingdom [is] a Right sceptre.
45:7 Thou (Christ) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee (Christ) with the oil of gladness above thy (Christ's) fellows.

Nowhere in Hebrews 1:1-9 does it mention "Jesus", the human son of Mary. It is specifically referring to the Son of God, whom God anointed above his fellow-angels (hence Prince Michael's TITLE as "Christ", which means "The Anointed One") and whom God appointed heir of all things.

God does NOT have human children; the "Sons" of God are His CREATED offspring.

And who did God -- The King Ruler of the Universe -- create FIRST? Prince Michael. Hence Michael's designation as "the Great Prince". THE PRINCE IS THE ONE ANOINTED TO BE THE HEIR OF THE THRONE OF THE KING.

Prince Michael is The Christ; The One Whom God anointed. That's why the angels are at Michael's Command (Rev. 12:7-9). And what does the name Michael mean? Micha-El - Who is LIKE God? In other words, Who is MADE in the express image of God.

God owns and controls EVERYTHING that He created. God clearly doesn't "inherit" anything, nor could God be the heir of things He already has. Inheritance goes to the heirs. And, by Law, the firstborn son is the heir favoured above his brothers (Deut. 21:15-17).

Please read the passage from Hebrews 1 again, bearing this in mind.

[Revelations won]

To all respondents,

Michael is also known as the ”Ancient of Days”.


Daniel 7:
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the "Son of Man" came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
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And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Did not according to the Bible, Was to inherit all the the Father hath?

Did he also not receive an everlasting kingdom?

Was he all given all judgement both in heaven and on earth?

Was not Christ’s earthly mission focused on bringing our ultimate focus of our worship that of binging us to “The Mosh High God even the the great Elohim who was his God and Father and our God and Father, even the most high?

Who other than the Water would have this mighty power to bestow on the Son

Did he also clearly testify that His Father was greater than he?

If we open our eyes to spiritual understanding it should be very clear that the angels of God were in fact His (Michaels) angels.according to the book of Revelation.

Therefore according to Daniel chapter 7 it is very clear that the “Son of Man” (Christ was brought before the “Ancient of Days”) and even an everlating kingdom.

Therefore the “ancient of Days” was indeed “Michael” who was greater than Christ if not so then who had the greater power held by none other than the Father only who could give this “Everlasting Kingdom” to the “Son of Man”?

[Capbook]

Would you accept that Jesus can be worshiped but of different level/kind of worship to the Father?

I think the word worship is not good. More accurate is "bow to". And as the Bible shows, people can bow to a king and it is not the same as worshiping someone as the God.

and they, having bowed [worshiped in many translations] before him, did turn back to Jerusalem with great joy,
Luke 24:52
"For you shall not bow [worship in many translations] to another god, for Jehovah whose name is Jealous, He is a jealous God;"
Exodus 34:14
And after the death of Jehoiada, the leaders of Judah came in and bowed [can be also translated worship] themselves to the king; then the king listened to them.
2 Chr. 24:17

I believe Jesus is the king, and he then can be "worshiped" as the king.

The word "worship" is a Bible word render to Jesus. As you've said it is not good, do you mean it is bad?
Ok, as you accept Jesus can be worshiped as king.
Do you know what henotheism means?
I believe you practiced henotheism rather than monotheism.

Matt 28:17
17 And when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.
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