Evolutionary Purpose of Morality

[Wootah]

I think I worked it out.

The evolution purpose of morality is to forget the evil we have done and do.

No one can cope with the horror show of biology and human history. We are all descended for murderers, etc.

So in response morality evolved to help with an illusion that we are the good guys.

Does anyone want to debate my notion on the evolution of morality?

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Edited by otseng

[Purple Knight]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #40]

Your exchange is onto the idea that there has to be competition between societies for the societies with those sorts of rules to flourish. With only one society, the only rules that will win are those that give the big benefits now, in exchange for greater hardship later. Without having to compete against a sustainable society, a society will always end up sacrificing later for now, because there's nothing to offset getting that big up-front benefit from the hasty, unsustainable rule.

[Wootah]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #40]

Your exchange is onto the idea that there has to be competition between societies for the societies with those sorts of rules to flourish. With only one society, the only rules that will win are those that give the big benefits now, in exchange for greater hardship later. Without having to compete against a sustainable society, a society will always end up sacrificing later for now, because there's nothing to offset getting that big up-front benefit from the hasty, unsustainable rule.

I just don't think morality arose from caring/sharing. Why would it?

Being real, it's a fantasy on the atheist's part, they want this to be true. That's a pretty big signal.

But if I just butchered another tribe I might need something called morality to help me sleep at night.

Think of an abortionist and the mental hoops they jump through.

Now, I want to add that this does not preclude the absence of the conscience, ie: a conscience that lacks morality. Psychopaths probably sleep best of all at night.

[Jose Fly]

Your exchange is onto the idea that there has to be competition between societies for the societies with those sorts of rules to flourish.

Not really. Societies definitely do sometimes compete against each other, but it's not always necessary for them to do so in order to survive.

With only one society, the only rules that will win are those that give the big benefits now, in exchange for greater hardship later. Without having to compete against a sustainable society, a society will always end up sacrificing later for now, because there's nothing to offset getting that big up-front benefit from the hasty, unsustainable rule.

So far in human history, there's never been just one society.

[POI]

[Replying to Wootah in post #26]


You skipped over post 24?

[Wootah]

I think slavery is part of the nature of reality. We are all slaves to sin. The biggest illusion of today (apart from the regular ones) is that slavery no longer exists. But for my intents I am also content to say that it is irrational to think you have done good/evil in a materialist universe. Whatever good/bad/evil is ... that's what morality is designed to cover up.

This is not what I'm speaking about, at all. I mean the chattel slavery that the Bible condones. Does your moral compass condone it too? If you instead reject chattel slavery, then maybe this is 'evil' at work? Maybe this is your 'morality'. Meaning, what you are speaking about, how we humans use 'morality' to help us sleep better at night.

I think it is a clear example. How did the slave owners sleep well at night knowing they were abusing other people? Morality. They felt it was morally OK.

[POI]

I think slavery is part of the nature of reality. We are all slaves to sin. The biggest illusion of today (apart from the regular ones) is that slavery no longer exists. But for my intents I am also content to say that it is irrational to think you have done good/evil in a materialist universe. Whatever good/bad/evil is ... that's what morality is designed to cover up.

This is not what I'm speaking about, at all. I mean the chattel slavery that the Bible condones. Does your moral compass condone it too? If you instead reject chattel slavery, then maybe this is 'evil' at work? Maybe this is your 'morality'. Meaning, what you are speaking about, how we humans use 'morality' to help us sleep better at night.

I think it is a clear example. How did the slave owners sleep well at night knowing they were abusing other people? Morality. They felt it was morally OK.

The Bible God also thinks chattel slavery is morally OK. Do you?

[Perspectivo]

I think I worked it out.

The evolution purpose of morality is to forget the evil we have done and do.

No one can cope with the horror show of biology and human history. We are all descended for murderers, etc.

So in response morality evolved to help with an illusion that we are the good guys.

Does anyone want to debate my notion on the evolution of morality?

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Edited by otseng

Every species settles its behavioral disputes. Its nothing unusual, nor is it an illusion. Species have behavioral disputes. Morality is our behavioral dispute. The illusion is an invisible god who disputes about our behavioral disputes.

[Wootah]

Every species settles its behavioral disputes. Its nothing unusual, nor is it an illusion. Species have behavioral disputes. Morality is our behavioral dispute. The illusion is an invisible god who disputes about our behavioral disputes.

Can you explain further on this so I can understand better what you mean: Morality is our behavioral dispute.

[Wootah]

I think slavery is part of the nature of reality. We are all slaves to sin. The biggest illusion of today (apart from the regular ones) is that slavery no longer exists. But for my intents I am also content to say that it is irrational to think you have done good/evil in a materialist universe. Whatever good/bad/evil is ... that's what morality is designed to cover up.

This is not what I'm speaking about, at all. I mean the chattel slavery that the Bible condones. Does your moral compass condone it too? If you instead reject chattel slavery, then maybe this is 'evil' at work? Maybe this is your 'morality'. Meaning, what you are speaking about, how we humans use 'morality' to help us sleep better at night.

I think it is a clear example. How did the slave owners sleep well at night knowing they were abusing other people? Morality. They felt it was morally OK.

The Bible God also thinks chattel slavery is morally OK. Do you?

It's a different topic POI. I disagree that the Bible teaches that 'The Bible God also thinks chattel slavery is morally OK'.

Can you start a new thread if that interests you, please? I'll join in.

[POI]

I think slavery is part of the nature of reality. We are all slaves to sin. The biggest illusion of today (apart from the regular ones) is that slavery no longer exists. But for my intents I am also content to say that it is irrational to think you have done good/evil in a materialist universe. Whatever good/bad/evil is ... that's what morality is designed to cover up.

This is not what I'm speaking about, at all. I mean the chattel slavery that the Bible condones. Does your moral compass condone it too? If you instead reject chattel slavery, then maybe this is 'evil' at work? Maybe this is your 'morality'. Meaning, what you are speaking about, how we humans use 'morality' to help us sleep better at night.

I think it is a clear example. How did the slave owners sleep well at night knowing they were abusing other people? Morality. They felt it was morally OK.

The Bible God also thinks chattel slavery is morally OK. Do you?

It's a different topic POI. I disagree that the Bible teaches that 'The Bible God also thinks chattel slavery is morally OK'.

Can you start a new thread if that interests you, please? I'll join in.

Yes, the Bible God condones chattel slavery. See here (viewtopic.php?t=40608).

It is not a different topic. In the OP, you stated "So in response morality evolved to help with an illusion that we are the good guys". The Bible God perceives himself as the 'good guy' by condoning chattel slavery. The Bible God would then not lose any proverbially sleep over holding and owning chattel slaves for life. Is this because he (either):

a) knows it's really evil but tells himself it is OK, so he can sleep better? Or...
b) genuinely thinks owning humans as chattel slaves is OK?

On the other hand, you would likely not sleep so well at night if you owned another human as lifetime chattel slave property. Your own "moral compass", in regard to what you deem (good vs evil) does not look to align with the Bible God's rendition of 'morality'. So now what?