A feasible alien Creator?

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A feasible alien Creator?

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Would it be more feasible for an atheist to believe in God if he considers him the Creator in a world of aliens that belong to another physical dimension? :?:

If that would be the case, then the problem of atheists would just be a matter of atheist prejudice and pride, just technicalities and wording ... vanity, IMO.

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Re: A feasible alien Creator?

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Clownboat wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 11:37 am
marke wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 7:18 am
Eloi wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:10 pm Would it be more feasible for an atheist to believe in God if he considers him the Creator in a world of aliens that belong to another physical dimension? :?:

If that would be the case, then the problem of atheists would just be a matter of atheist prejudice and pride, just technicalities and wording ... vanity, IMO.
Marke: I dare say any stupid myth or silly assumption will fit right in with all the modern ateheistic theories falsely called science by low information secular speculators.
Did you have a debate question? It seems you are just taking a cheap shot at atheists, but I figure I would ask in case you were actually being genuine and had something to debate.
Marke: The OP asked for opinions about something related to whether or not an atheist could believe in God if God was an alien. I admit I find the question lacking seriousness, which is why I said what I did.

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A Freeman wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 1:38 pm If we are speaking about aliens/extraterrestrials, then LOGICALLY the book GIVEN to us by the aliens/extraterrestrials
Once you show that your idol (you seem to revere this book) was actually created by aliens, then it would logically follow to investigate the claims provided by the aliens in this book. Perhaps even I will begin to worship this book. If aliens didn't write and then give us this book, I don't see why we should pretend that they did. Can you show that aliens supplied this book to humans?

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Only someone who is terrified of the truth about our own alien/extraterrestrial origins, and our alien/extraterrestrial Creator, would try to argue otherwise.
Demonstrably false. Any skeptic would question such a claim. No fear is involved, just the questioning of claims and us humans do that all the time.
Why do you pretend that people are terrified of your unevidenced claim that we have alien/extraterrestrial origins? I ask because surely you are not terrified of claims made by competing religions, right? Perhaps you are and then project that on to us?
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marke wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 6:57 am
Clownboat wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 11:37 am
marke wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 7:18 am
Eloi wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:10 pm Would it be more feasible for an atheist to believe in God if he considers him the Creator in a world of aliens that belong to another physical dimension? :?:

If that would be the case, then the problem of atheists would just be a matter of atheist prejudice and pride, just technicalities and wording ... vanity, IMO.
Marke: I dare say any stupid myth or silly assumption will fit right in with all the modern ateheistic theories falsely called science by low information secular speculators.
Did you have a debate question? It seems you are just taking a cheap shot at atheists, but I figure I would ask in case you were actually being genuine and had something to debate.
Marke: The OP asked for opinions about something related to whether or not an atheist could believe in God if God was an alien. I admit I find the question lacking seriousness, which is why I said what I did.
Got it. There is nothing to debate is the first response, nor this one.
Thank you for clarifying.
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The title "Satan" is Hebrew and means "The Opposer".

When people with inverted, satanic vision oppose everything that is honest and truthful, by calling evil good and good evil, etc.
(Isa. 5:20-21), they are only proving their own ignorance and who is pulling their puppet strings (Rom. 8:5-8).

Here is proof of our extraterrestrial origins, where we were banished from heaven (our REAL home, out in the universe) by our extraterrestrial Creator and the Commander of His Army: Prince Michael, known here on Earth as The Anointed One (Messiah/Christ).

Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: HE WAS CAST OUT TO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS (all of us - Luke 9:55) WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM (Matthew 25:41).

This happened ~ 6000 years ago, when this prison planet reform school for the criminally insane was set-up, to teach us how to be good (Gen. 1:26), like those who didn't fight against Father, Michael and the rest of our family members.

WE ARE ALL EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPIRITUAL-BEINGS, who are temporarily incarnated in the individual prison-cells (human bodies) that we see in the mirror. Human bodies that feel pleasure and pain, and thus can be rewarded for good behaviour and punished for bad behaviour, to teach us what we need to know, to be released, so we can return to our REAL home, REAL family and REAL friends.

So the thread title question itself is somewhat humorous, given the fact our Creator, all of those we fought against in the war, and our fellow lunatic asylum inmates here on Earth are ALL extraterrestrial Beings (hence the designation as a human+Beings while incarnated inside of a human body). Perhaps a testament to how blinded to our true reality most really are.

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A Freeman wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 7:08 am ...where we were banished from heaven ...
So you think you are an angel?
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1213 wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 12:35 am
A Freeman wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 7:08 am ...where we were banished from heaven ...
So you think you are an angel?
No. I know that all of us here are angels/spiritual-Beings/"gods" that fought in that war in heaven, which is why we were cast here to this prison planet reform school for the criminally insane. A planet full of sinners, aka CRIMINALS.

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A Freeman wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 2:34 am
1213 wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 12:35 am
A Freeman wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 7:08 am ...where we were banished from heaven ...
So you think you are an angel?
No. I know that all of us here are angels/spiritual-Beings/"gods" that fought in that war in heaven, which is why we were cast here to this prison planet reform school for the criminally insane. A planet full of sinners, aka CRIMINALS.
I accept that you think you are an angelic veteran of a heavenly war that deserves prison time for being criminally insane.
Any other thoughts you desire to tell us about yourself or the type of person you are or were?
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A Freeman wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 2:34 am No. I know that all of us here are angels/spiritual-Beings/"gods" that fought in that war in heaven, ...
How do you know that?

I don't think I was there in the fight. Also, i think there is no Biblical reason to say humans are angels.
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1213 wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 10:51 pm
A Freeman wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 2:34 am No. I know that all of us here are angels/spiritual-Beings/"gods" that fought in that war in heaven, ...
How do you know that?
Because I've been shown and told by both our Creator and His Christ countless times who and what we are.

On top of that, the Bible is literally replete with references to this (planet Earth) being both hell and a prison, where Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil) is temporarily ruling, not only through his influence over all of the worldly institutions, but through the ego ("self") of every single individual here on Earth.

Do you believe that Father (God) keeps good souls here in hell? Father has already told us countless times, throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and in the Koran/Quran (the latter of which was sent to confirm previous Scripture, NOT to contradict it), that we are evil, unrighteous, and unfaithful people, who choose darkness over light, evil over what is good, and oppression, injustice and war over freedom, justice, and peace, etc.

Even a cursory inspection of life here on Earth should be instructive. We live in a place where people lie, cheat and steal from one another, where women are raped, children are molested (sometimes by so-called religious leaders), and where we have legalized theft through legislation and the courts in the form of taxes, licenses, fees, etc. and where we have legalized murder in the form of war. And we are constantly at war, on every front, both physically and spiritually. On the battlefields, in the courts, in all of the organized religions, in our own neighbourhoods, in our own homes and even within, which is the REAL spiritual battle: the battle between the spirit (Being/Soul) and the flesh (the human with its ego, which can be easily tempted).
1213 wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 10:51 pm I don't think I was there in the fight.
Have you not wondered why we are here? What the TRUE purpose of human life is on planet Earth? Who do you think the Bible is talking about in Revelation 12:7-9? And wasn't the very same historical account encoded into the first chapter of Genesis?

The following is a historical record of why we were sent here:

Revelation 12:3-4, 7-9
12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies - Kofks - John 8:35; KJV John 8:44) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - Second Coming).

12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth THE WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out TO THE EARTH, and his angels (all of us - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

Compare with:

Genesis 1:6-8 (where the "waters" are the people - Isa. 17:12-13; Rev. 17:15)
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament (Heaven) in the midst of the "waters" (people), and let it divide the "waters" from the "waters".
1:7 And God made the firmament (Heaven), and divided the "waters" (those of us here on Earth) which [were] under the firmament (Heaven) from the "waters" which [were] above the firmament (the two-thirds of the "stars of heaven, which fought with Michael): and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the Second Day.

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The "waters" which thou sawest, where the "Whore" sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Many acknowledge that each of us have two guardian angels with us at all times. If one is inclined to read and study the two accounts provided above, it should be self-evident why we have two (prison guards/guardian angels) assigned to each of us, as they outnumbered us in the war by a 2:1 margin, and this (planet Earth) is a prison.

It's understood that most will dismiss all of this as "an interpretation", because the easiest, broadest path is always to accept the lies held by the majority over the truth recognized by so few.
1213 wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 10:51 pm Also, i think there is no Biblical reason to say humans are angels.
The Bible NEVER states that humans (the flesh) are angels (souls/spiritual-Beings). It does, however plainly tell us that unless we are reborn as our true, spiritual self (knowing that we are spiritual-Beings, NOT human), we can NEVER see the Kingdom of God (which art in Heaven), much less enter it.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

If one is paying attention, we are repeatedly told throughout the Bible that we are extraterrestrial spiritual-Being INCARNATED inside of human bodies, and that we were placed there to learn how to overcome and control the flesh (and its evil/selfish urges), so that we can learn to do God's Will (love one another spiritually and unselfishly do what is best for all concerned at all times).

This is the spiritual war that is fought within by those who are awake to the fact (truth) that we are spiritual-Beings temporarily having a human experience, rather than the other way around.

Romans 8:5-8
8:5 For they that are after the flesh (the human) do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] DEATH (all humans die); but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace (John 3:5-6).
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
8:8 So then they that are in the ways of flesh CANNOT please God.

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Below is where Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil/liar/fork-tongued serpent) duped Eve into believing the only way she could "be as gods" would allegedly be to disobey God:

Genesis 2:16-17
2:16 And the "I AM" God COMMANDED the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good (Truth) AND evil (lies), thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (in confusion - not knowing the difference between good and evil).

Genesis 3:1-5
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the "I AM" God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it (the tree of the knowledge of evil - the devil), lest ye die.
3:4 And the serpent (devil - liar) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Before Adam and Eve were tricked into believing these lies, they both KNEW they were extraterrestrial spiritual-Beings ("gods") that were temporarily "clothed" with human animal bodies.

Being the liar (devil), it should be self-evident that the things Lucifer/Satan/Iblis promotes are lies, including the oft-repeated, ready made excuse for failure: "we're only human after all", which is just a simple rephrasing of what he told Eve in the Garden. And most of mankind has been denying their extraterrestrial origins, and the real reason we are here, since then.

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