Suppose you are the king of a country and that country has a small population of jews that you are happy with.
If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out.
Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?
Morality question
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Morality question
Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Morality question
Post #41It still doesn't say that the king knew the refugees would force the Jews out over time. That was the point of my previous post. Given that fact, the moral thing for the king to do at that time would be provide protection for the refugees.jgh7 wrote: [Replying to post 38 by Tcg]
It literally says the refugees hate the Jews and would force them out overtime.
I am of course repeating myself, but I don't know how else to make this point given that you ignored it previously.
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Re: Morality question
Post #42Does it need to explicit say that the king knew given the fact that the king was told that the refugees would force the Jews out? Or are you saying merely being told doesn't count as knowing because the information might not be accurate?Tcg wrote:It still doesn't say that the king knew the refugees would force the Jews out over time. That was the point of my previous post.
If it wasn't clear in the OP, then the author made it quite explicit that you cannot do both in a later post:the moral thing for the king to do at that time would be provide protection for the refugees.
"I think you mean import the immigrants and save the jews. Sorry the moral dilemma doesn't allow for it."
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Re: Morality question
Post #43The OP doesn't state that the king was told anything. I seem to be the only one here who is addressing it as it is written.
I'll repeat, the king wasn't told anything at all in the OP.
Or are you saying merely being told doesn't count as knowing because the information might not be accurate?
I am referring to the initial action the king should have taken. What transpired later is a totally different issue.
If it wasn't clear in the OP, then the author made it quite explicit that you cannot do both in a later post:
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Re: Morality question
Post #44That just rises a new question: why does the OP need to explicit state that the king was told that the refugees would force the Jews out, given fact that the king was told it?Tcg wrote: The OP doesn't state that the king was told anything. I seem to be the only one here who is addressing it as it is written.
What do you mean? The king was told the refugees would force the Jews out. It literally says "If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out."I'll repeat, the king wasn't told anything at all in the OP.
I am also referring to the initial action, doing both is not allowed by the scenario.I am referring to the initial action the king should have taken. What transpired later is a totally different issue.
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Re: Morality question
Post #45The king wasn't told it. Perhaps you need to review the OP and reply once you understand it properly.Bust Nak wrote:That just rises a new question: why does the OP need to explicit state that the king was told that the refugees would force the Jews out, given fact that the king was told it?Tcg wrote: The OP doesn't state that the king was told anything. I seem to be the only one here who is addressing it as it is written.
No, he wasn't. Have you read the OP?
What do you mean? The king was told the refugees would force the Jews out.
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Re: Morality question
Post #46It's literally right there, and I quote, again: "If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." How can you maintain not being told when it's right there in black and white?Tcg wrote: The king wasn't told it.
Yes he was, Have you read the OP? Should I quote it for you again? "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." What seems to be the sticking point, you don't think the "they" was referring to the immigrants? Please be more specific?No, he wasn't. Have you read the OP?
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Re: Morality question
Post #47Because it is not there in black and white. Pretty simple really.
No, he wasn't. Have you read the OP?
My point is that the king wasn't told anything. It's not complicated at all. Is that specific enough?
Yes he was, Have you read the OP? Should I quote it for you again? "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." What seems to be the sticking point, you don't think the "they" was referring to the immigrants? Please be more specific?
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Re: Morality question
Post #48No, because it says so right there in the OP. And I quote "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." Be even more specific, why doesn't that counts as being told?Tcg wrote: My point is that the king wasn't told anything. It's not complicated at all. Is that specific enough?
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Re: Morality question
Post #49Because of the 57 words in the OP, none of them are the word, "told". There is absolutely nothing in the OP that would lead one to conclude the king was told anything. In fact, given that neither the word "told" nor any synonym of that word appears in the OP, there is no reason to assume any one was told anything.Bust Nak wrote:No, because it says so right there in the OP. And I quote "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." Be even more specific, why doesn't that counts as being told?Tcg wrote: My point is that the king wasn't told anything. It's not complicated at all. Is that specific enough?
If I have overlooked the word "told", or any of its synonyms, amongst the 57 words in the OP, fill free to quote in black and white and I'll be glad to reconsider my position.
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Re: Morality question
Post #50Surely the fact that the OP says "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out" is more than enough reason to assume you was told the Jews would be forced out, if you even need to assume anything as it is literally right there in black and white.Tcg wrote: Because of the 57 words in the OP, none of them are the word, "told". There is absolutely nothing in the OP that would lead one to conclude the king was told anything. In fact, given that neither the word "told" nor any synonym of that word appears in the OP, there is no reason to assume any one was told anything.
Consider the statement "my car is red."If I have overlooked the word "told", or any of its synonyms, amongst the 57 words in the OP, fill free to quote in black and white and I'll be glad to reconsider my position.
Have you been told what color my car is, bearing in mind that neither the word "told" nor any of its synonyms, can be found in those 4 words? Is that anything in that simple statement would lead one to conclude you were told what color my car is?