can you be Christian and bI?

[rapture101]

i know this sounds weird.One of the people I go to school with asked me this questian.So I became a little weird about it.I couldnt find the amswer.So what are your oppions?

[Vianne]

Well I guess one could say that someone would go to hell for being gay(bi, w/e), yet here is yet another argument, more of an intellectual kind b/c it requires you to put the theory together urself, although it seems fairly logical.

If in fact our souls have no gender, then why would it matter? I guess I see falling in love with a person rather than with a person within a gender. Since your soul doesn't have a gender anyways, it shouldn't really matter. People are people and are not defined by their gender, rather, who they are.

Because the reasons for procreation are dead and gone, the world is full by all accounts...what is needed now is responsible people to help raise all the extra children everywhere...

By the bible, jesus did away with unneeded rules and regulations because the times had changed and intellect had grown to understand more concepts. This is where I get the "living book". Besides, Jesus didn't like the pharisee's very much. The pharisee's now a days would be the people who believe that strict adherence to rules is what God really desires...whereas what God really desires is your love and admiration, and putting him first in your life...

Kinda sounded like rambling, sorry....

You're not rambling at all! This is a great post. I really like your description of one soul falling in love with another, and souls being without gender. That's a great concept I hadn't thought of before.

I also believe that Jesus intended for people to think. He demonstrated so many examples of common sense, encouraging people to look at the concepts behind the rules (which were unfailingly ideas of love and peace). I don't believe he would have ever tried to change a homosexual or bisexual person.

[KnowJah]

I would assume so. The bible only condemns the same-sex acts, not same sex desires, so theoretically, if a bisexaul person only appreciated the same sex from a distance, there should be nothing wrong with that.

Actualy no.

Matthew 5:28: But I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

So of course this would also include same sex.

[palmera]

Of course you can be bi/gay/lesbian etc.. and still be a Christian. What are the great commandments from which all others follow? To love G-d with all your heart, soul, mind, strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. All other rules, practices, follow from these two. So in what way does one's sexuality negate this?

Also, the Bible doesn't treat homosexuality as we do today. Biblical writers of the OT and NT didn't understand homosexuality then as we do here and now.

[KnowJah]

...uh...what...

[Simon's Legacy]

Can you be a Christian and bi or gay or straight or celibate? Of course you can. There is such a weird warping of Christian principles in the effort to exclude gay relationships from Christian fellowship. Peter set the standard when he flat out said to the other first Christians, 'forget this whole business of commandments and signs of the covenant. These guys here (Cornelius & his household) have had the same spiritual experience as we have and demonstrate the same integrity as any of us--I'm baptizing them. This did not sit well with many other Christians who correctly pointed out that Peter was violating the first, foremost and primary commandment of God. It was that act (as in ACTS) which transformed Christianity from a Jewish cult into the living religion that it is today.
Our fear of accepting Christian couples because they are gay is just one more nail in the coffin we are building for this religion that we are trying to kill off.

[topaz]

My approach to this is to help the homosexual see from a biblical point. Then deal with it meaning overcoming it. The bible gives us many clues.

Question #1
Does the bible state homosexuality as a sin?
Answer : Yes.

Question #2
If you’re a homosexual or have homosexual tendencies, how to overcome this b/c as a christian, you don’t want to sin.
Answer : Let’s deal with ‘sin’. The bible says sin originates from satan. This tells me that homosexuality or any other sin, originates from satan. So now it is not about the person per se but about satan making a person sin.

Question #3
Next, how does satan make a person a homosexual or a liar or an adulterer or commit any other sin?
Thought. The bible says good and bad thoughts must be sieved. Bad thoughts must be cast into hellfire while good thoughts are to be dwelt upon and acted on. So we now know, we must work on those sinful thoughts [homosexuality, lying, adulterous, etc] to get to the root of sin to clear it from our souls. Follow me so far?

Bible says before a person sins, he first THINKS about it. So, next step is NOT to think on such things. But if you must think, then the thought must be to u/stand that this is wrong and say something like, “I am a man made to desire a woman. I choose to desire a woman. I choose to be normal. I will not succumb to sin. I will be a fool no more.” Then, cast the sinful thought into hell, “ In the name of Jesus Christ, I cast this thought into hellfire and the demon that puts this thought into my mind, I ask that he be sent to Christ.” By practicing this, the mind is willed to understand God’s Laws while rejecting evil.

Basically, in everyone of us, there are strengths and weaknesses. Satan cannot tempt one into a particular sin unless it happens to be one’s weakness. So this is the root of the problem of sin. Satan has powers.

Remember these 2 words : TEMPT and POWER. Satan’s power is to establish a sinful desire in a person. If that desire is not one’s weakness, one throws it out. BUT if it happens to be one’s weakness, immediately, the person must be alert and state categorically to himself … “No, this is not my desire but it is from satan b/c God says all sin originates from satan.” With such knowledge, every attack / temptation to sin can be successfully overcomed.

On the other hand, those w/o such knowledge, carry a burden of guilt, give excuses that it is genetic, beyond their control, etc, etc .. anything but the truth. Self-destructive. The best person who can help the sinner is the sinner. Use knowledge to combat satan. No one is born a homosexual or a liar or an adulterer or whatever sin. Use God-given knowledge to heal, to overcome satan, to deal with life issues. I guarantee you that if you diligently use this knowledge that I put forth here, you can overcome your weaknesses, your sins and be free, really FREE. Amen.

[topaz]

If in fact our souls have no gender, then why would it matter? I guess I see falling in love with a person rather than with a person within a gender. Since your soul doesn't have a gender anyways, it shouldn't really matter. People are people and are not defined by their gender, rather, who they are.

These very same thoughts pass through my mind too. We are genderless only in spirit. Are we in the flesh now or in the spirit? Since we are in the flesh now, we must submit to rules governing the flesh, right?

Homosexuality is a sin … 7th commandment. You see, this is all about LUST not love. Sexual love = lust. Why? B/c where sexual love exists, there is sex above what is necessary for procreation. This is the crux of the matter.

No one marries in heaven b/c lust is forbidden here on earth and in heaven. SO OUR DUTY IS TO DISINFECT OUR SOULS FROM LUST. Lust is defined as the desire for sex. Don’t think that in a marriage you can have unlimited sex b/c the bible states that woman is created for man for the purpose of multiplication. So if you’re not multiplying, then the sex is unlawful even in a lawful marriage.

Because the reasons for procreation are dead and gone, the world is full by all accounts...what is needed now is responsible people to help raise all the extra children everywhere...

You’re saying that all the ‘extra children’ should be raised by gay / lesbian couples? These are unlawful marriages / unions to begin with. No court on earth can legalize what God has forbidden in the first place. If we challenge God’s system, we align ourselves with satan’s kingdom where anything goes, no-system.

By the bible, jesus did away with unneeded rules and regulations because the times had changed …

Really? Times have changed, so God’s rules changed too? Can you drink blood ? Can you eat animal fat ? Can you rape ? Can you take another man’s wife ? Can a father sleep with his daughter ? Can you sleep with your mother? … b/c times have changed and rules change along with time? The answer will show you that God’s Laws are perpetual. Immutable, unchangeable.

Besides, Jesus didn't like the pharisee's very much. The pharisee's now a days would be the people who believe that strict adherence to rules is what God really desires...

The pharisees taught tradition that lead people astray from God. That is the reason Jesus didn’t like them much. The Laws of Moses are very much alive today and will be in perpertuity.

whereas what God really desires is your love and admiration, and putting him first in your life...

The bible says that if you put God first in your life, you prove it by obeying His Laws. Action speaks louder than words … disobedience is an action that proves you do not put God first but your lust-filled desires above God.

[methylatedghosts]

You’re saying that all the ‘extra children’ should be raised by gay / lesbian couples? These are unlawful marriages / unions to begin with. No court on earth can legalize what God has forbidden in the first place. If we challenge God’s system, we align ourselves with satan’s kingdom where anything goes, no-system.

Then here in NZ, we have probably become part of "Satan's Kingdom" because here we have legalised gay marriage - called a civil union. Does this mean we are further away from god than you? Of course not. We still have the same beliefs (in general). I suppose we can give up all hope of joining god.....?

In reality, I think we are much further ahead than you in the tolerance of other people and their sexual orientations. What does it matter whether someone is gay or not? God's system is very simple to go with. Experience, experience, experience.

Do you care whether your next door neighbour is gay or not?

By the bible, jesus did away with unneeded rules and regulations because the times had changed …

Really? Times have changed, so God’s rules changed too? Can you drink blood ? Can you eat animal fat ? Can you rape ? Can you take another man’s wife ? Can a father sleep with his daughter ? Can you sleep with your mother? … b/c times have changed and rules change along with time? The answer will show you that God’s Laws are perpetual. Immutable, unchangeable.

Agree. Gods laws have never changed - there never were any, so why change that. What reason is there for these laws?

[Cathar1950]

can you be Christian and bI?
A questian of right and wrong

I try to stay out of these gays are bad threads.
It usually comes down to a belief that some one knows God's law and everyone else is not a Christian and part of “Satan's kingdom"

The title of the thread should make us realize that it is not a debate or discussion but a declaration of hostile, antagonistic and argumentative belief against gays.

What is question of right and wrong? That statement alone makes it a false dilemma and a choice between right and wrong of some perceived sin of others.

“Can you be Christian” is itself is debatable and presumes to think there is only one kind of Christian and Christianity that in this case wants to enforce what they think is God’s law on others, at least in this case. It presumes something prevents them from being a “Christian”(usually the elusive “True Christian”).
Are you Bi? It assumes Bi is wrong and worth noticing socially.

So you should rename the thread “Bi like gays cannot be Christian if you don’t agree you are part of Satan’s Kingdom”.
I wish all good luck.

[topaz]

Then here in NZ, we have probably become part of "Satan's Kingdom" because here we have legalised gay marriage - called a civil union. Does this mean we are further away from god than you? Of course not. We still have the same beliefs (in general). I suppose we can give up all hope of joining god.....?

I don’t make the Law. I obey no matter how hard it may be … for my own good. There is no way anyone can circumvent or oppose God’s Law yet remain in His kingdom. Why delude yourself? Read the bible and find out if what I am saying is the truth.

In reality, I think we are much further ahead than you in the tolerance of other people and their sexual orientations.

I disagree. In reality, you’re backward not progressive.

How about having sex with animals? Is this also ok? How about asking your govt. to legalise this too?

What does it matter whether someone is gay or not? God's system is very simple to go with. Experience, experience, experience.

Do you care whether your next door neighbour is gay or not?

A person’s sexual orientation is his own business, they say. How I wish this was so. The bible says that the sins of a people desolate their land, destroy their country.

Now, what my neighbour does affects me, right? Good or bad. Why should I suffer for my neighbour’s sin ? If I am going to suffer for my neighbour’s sin, you can bet I will go after his hide. Yes, I do care if my neighbour is a gay or a terrorist or a child molester or anything that acts against the good of society.

By the bible, jesus did away with unneeded rules and regulations because the times had changed …

Really? Times have changed, so God’s rules changed too? Can you drink blood ? Can you eat animal fat ? Can you rape ? Can you take another man’s wife ? Can a father sleep with his daughter ? Can you sleep with your mother? … b/c times have changed and rules change along with time? The answer will show you that God’s Laws are perpetual. Immutable, unchangeable.

Agree. Gods laws have never changed - there never were any, so why change that. What reason is there for these laws?[/quote]
You contradict yourself when you say ‘Gods laws have never changed’ and then you turn around and say ‘there never were any’.

The reason for these Laws?
The human specie is created to live with Father God in heaven. Sin caused the Law to be given in black and white. The Law, therefore, divides righteousness from sin in a clear cut way. God is systematic and orderly. Satan has no-system. Disobedience to the Law, automatically by default, places a person in the dark kingdom.