Scientific thinking and common sense

[Eloi]

I have noticed that sometimes people with a scientific mind, people who have studied a lot and know a lot of information about different sciences, do not notice simple things that do not escape the attention of ordinary people, even if they have studied less or almost nothing.

For example, the fact that the animals that evolutionists call "lower" in the evolutionary scale still live alongside humans, and that others supposedly fitter, because they are located in a higher position in the evolutionary line of man, no longer exist.

Evolutionary theory holds that as animals progressed up the evolutionary scale, they became more capable of surviving. Why, then, is the “inferior” ape family still in existence, but not a single one of the presumed intermediate forms, which were supposed to be more advanced in evolution? Today we see chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans, but no “ape-men.” Does it seem likely that every one of the more recent and supposedly more advanced “links” between apelike creatures and modern man should have become extinct, but not the lower apes? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101985017

To what extent do you think the "wisdom" of this system of things can cloud a person's mind?

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #329]

In the 1950,s they put stricknine into chicken food to kill the worms they had. They said chickens would poop it out, but they didnt, it went into the meat. A few years ago they figured that out so banned the stricknine in their food. They created margarine to give to turkeys to fatten them up, it killed them, so then instead of taking a loss they added yellow coloring and sold it to humans. those things are probably the tip of what is the empire state building that they are doing and they know it-They are selling us cancer, its a huge money making business now.

Who are "they"? This sounds like conspiracy theory 101. Do you actually think science and math is used to intentionally create cancer-causing products to deliver to the public purely for profit? People choose to smoke, knowing (these days) that it is horrible for the lungs and can cause cancer. People choose to drink alcohol, and some abuse it and die from liver failure or other health problems. It is people who vote to keep tobacco and alcohol legal in this country (look what happend during Prohibition when the government outlawed alcohol ... people just got it illegally and it was a boon to criminals who supplied it).

What your refer to as "they" is actually "us." Businesses take advantage of opportunities and supply products and services that consumers want. If everyone stopped smoking and drinking alcohol there would be no "big tobacco" or booze companies because there would be no customers to buy the products. But as long as it is legal and people choose to consume those products, they'll get cancer or liver failure, etc.

Every one on earth knows they are putting cancer causing chemicals in our food, tobacco, medicines. Every other commercial on tv is about cancer causing things sold to people and the companys knew.
Your excuses has no place in Gods will. If a govt actually cared about the people, they would do something.

[brunumb]

If a govt actually cared about the people, they would do something.

If God actually cared about the people, he would do something. And he actually can. But, no, he's just sitting back watching the misery and destruction, waiting and twiddling his omnipotent thumbs. Way to go God. You're no better than the humans you created.

[kjw47]

If a govt actually cared about the people, they would do something.

If God actually cared about the people, he would do something. And he actually can. But, no, he's just sitting back watching the misery and destruction, waiting and twiddling his omnipotent thumbs. Way to go God. You're no better than the humans you created.

You are mistaken. God sent his son to die for justice purposes, so the door could be reopened to mankind. Few have stepped through that door. If you read the bible then you know Gods coming kingdom rule will be a cure all. God knows exactly what he is doing. You have been given an opportunity to step through that door. Mortals asked to know good and bad in the rebellion in Eden, God is letting it be proved once and for all time who was right, him or the devil. All rebels are being rooted out. You stand on that side presently, only YOU can do something about changing that. God will help you but you need to show him you want that.

[Diogenes]

I have noticed that sometimes people with a scientific mind, people who have studied a lot and know a lot of information about different sciences, do not notice simple things that do not escape the attention of ordinary people, even if they have studied less or almost nothing.

You "have noticed" constitutes a single anecdote, thus not even bad data. In other words, your 'noticing' is worse than meaningless. Perhaps more importantly, you have failed to define you terms, particularly "common sense." The term frequently is used to mean "whatever I think."

In reality many opinions that are popularly held to be "common sense" are just plain wrong. This fact is brought out clearly by several sources. Here is one: https://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/ ... ons_20.pdf
It is also important to consider that what most people call "commonsense" is not a universal but a cultural norm or practice that may be passionately opposed by another culture or ethnic group.

There are reasons why a person with "a scientific mind, people who have studied a lot and know a lot of information about different sciences" might not pay attention to things people less educated in the sciences or in law, or other learned professions would think important.

They have learned to separate the irrelevant and trivial from relevant and important things.
It is also quite natural for the less educated person to prefer a claim of "common sense" when completely wrong, than to admit either that he is wrong, or that his education has serious deficits... or that he is just plain dim.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #331]

Every one on earth knows they are putting cancer causing chemicals in our food, tobacco, medicines. Every other commercial on tv is about cancer causing things sold to people and the companys knew.
Your excuses has no place in Gods will. If a govt actually cared about the people, they would do something.

Again, "they" are "us" ... there is no difference. When there are problems found in products or processes the government does try to take action, because they (ie. us) demand it and in this country we elect politicians to represent us (sometimes badly, but that's how the system works). There is no mysterious "they" behind the scenes orchestrating all the bad things you are describing. That is called a conspiracy theory. If a god did exist, as brunumb points out, that is the entity that should be pulling rank and correcting all the problems. The complete lack of evidence for any such overseer is one reason many people believe these magical beings don't actually exist.

[brunumb]

If a govt actually cared about the people, they would do something.

If God actually cared about the people, he would do something. And he actually can. But, no, he's just sitting back watching the misery and destruction, waiting and twiddling his omnipotent thumbs. Way to go God. You're no better than the humans you created.

You are mistaken. God sent his son to die for justice purposes, so the door could be reopened to mankind. Few have stepped through that door. If you read the bible then you know Gods coming kingdom rule will be a cure all. God knows exactly what he is doing. You have been given an opportunity to step through that door. Mortals asked to know good and bad in the rebellion in Eden, God is letting it be proved once and for all time who was right, him or the devil. All rebels are being rooted out. You stand on that side presently, only YOU can do something about changing that. God will help you but you need to show him you want that.

So you criticise governments for doing nothing but give God a free pass. Got it. How do people worship this heartless being. It's not like misery and suffering just sprang up now. He's been watching it go on for centuries. As I said, your God is no better than any human being he created.

Then you bring up the disgusting bit about sending his son to die so that he can let himself open some door to mankind. Utterly vile concept, but we're supposed to see it as a wonderful act of kindness. Beggars belief, but that's the power of religious indoctrination for you.

[otseng]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #333]

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[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #331]

Every one on earth knows they are putting cancer causing chemicals in our food, tobacco, medicines. Every other commercial on tv is about cancer causing things sold to people and the companys knew.
Your excuses has no place in Gods will. If a govt actually cared about the people, they would do something.

Again, "they" are "us" ... there is no difference. When there are problems found in products or processes the government does try to take action, because they (ie. us) demand it and in this country we elect politicians to represent us (sometimes badly, but that's how the system works). There is no mysterious "they" behind the scenes orchestrating all the bad things you are describing. That is called a conspiracy theory. If a god did exist, as brunumb points out, that is the entity that should be pulling rank and correcting all the problems. The complete lack of evidence for any such overseer is one reason many people believe these magical beings don't actually exist.

Gods kingdom will cure all of it. God gave all a choice-Deut 30:19= Life or death. Mortals asked to know bad in the rebellion in Eden. God doesnt interfere much with free will. If you noticed after Jesus was murdered so were the apostles and then the followers. God didnt interfere.

[brunumb]

Gods kingdom will cure all of it. God gave all a choice-Deut 30:19= Life or death. Mortals asked to know bad in the rebellion in Eden. God doesnt interfere much with free will. If you noticed after Jesus was murdered so were the apostles and then the followers. God didnt interfere.

God's track record of getting things right or fixing things has been pretty poor from day one. But if wishful thinking helps you get through the day, go for it. Don't be surprised when he never shows up though.

[kjw47]

Gods kingdom will cure all of it. God gave all a choice-Deut 30:19= Life or death. Mortals asked to know bad in the rebellion in Eden. God doesnt interfere much with free will. If you noticed after Jesus was murdered so were the apostles and then the followers. God didnt interfere.

God's track record of getting things right or fixing things has been pretty poor from day one. But if wishful thinking helps you get through the day, go for it. Don't be surprised when he never shows up though.

I know 100% this system is nearing its end. The prophecy in Daniel pointed to Rev 6 being 1914--It was correct. Notice it says-Peace will be taken from the earth=ww1. So we are well over 100 years past rev 6 in revelation.