Was Hitler a pro-choice (i.e. Hitler's choice) Darwinist ?

[piglet17]

One can be Darwinist and not be Hitlerian, one can be pro-choice but not the Dictator. But pro-choiceism has resulted in at least a 6 times greater holocaust and 7 times longer in the USA. So far

[zepper899]

Q: Was Hitler a pro-choice (i.e. Hitler's choice) Darwinist ?

He may have been pro choice. He may have been an evolutionist.


Done. Debate over.
It has nothing to do with debating Christianity and religion.

It says nothing about abortion or evolution.

If piglet wants to say that abortion or evolution is wrong, make a thread for that.

[piglet17]

It has nothing to do with debating Christianity and religion.

Abortion and Evolution aren't Christian. Though a Christian, sadly, might hold to either or both.

It says nothing about abortion or evolution.

See above.

If piglet wants to say that abortion or evolution is wrong, make a thread for that.

Abortion and Evolution are wrong. Is also a part of this thread. If zpepper wants to contribute to either the title or to dicussing the others, feel welcome to make a post for that. Thanks

[zepper899]

It has nothing to do with debating Christianity and religion.

Abortion and Evolution aren't Christian. Though a Christian, sadly, might hold to either or both.

It says nothing about abortion or evolution.

See above.

If piglet wants to say that abortion or evolution is wrong, make a thread for that.

Abortion and Evolution are wrong. Is also a part of this thread. If zepper wants to contribute to either the title or to discussing the others, feel welcome to make a post for that. Thanks

I believe that your title downright sucks. If there are extra topics, list them specifically, or make a new thread.
I believe I answered the first questions. And I also believe that it may be better suited to a politics forum, since we are dealing with a political character. You just need to work on your skills at starting a forum...
Suggestions:
Was Hitler a Christian?
Did Hitler significantly differ from Christianity?
Is Abortion in line with Christianity?
Does abortion significantly differ from Christian philosophy?
Is Abortion right or wrong?
Is Evolution right or wrong?

I'm just trying to focus the debate. Basically, if there are too many topics, there will be strawmen. Why don't you chose one to debate. I know you have a scentific evaluation of evolution currently on the go, so maybe try talking about abortion or hitler specifically.
You are always welcome Piglet, no matter how you interpret my posts.

[piglet17]

I believe that your title downright sucks.

i don't. i think it unsux and's accurate and simple and straightforward

If there are extra topics, list them specifically, or make a new thread.

no

I believe I answered the first questions. And I also believe that it may be better suited to a politics forum, since we are dealing with a political character. You just need to work on your skills at starting a forum...

i din't start a forum. Nor did i not label this one "Politics..."

Was Hitler a Christian?

Asked and answered here: No.

Did Hitler significantly differ from Christianity?

Asked and answered here: also no

Is Abortion in line with Christianity?

Maybe Hitler's "Christianity." If you'd even be so silly to call it that.
But like i repeated to u: i'm interested in Christ. Not Christianity

Does abortion significantly differ from Christian philosophy?

Does homicide significantly differ from regeneration ?
Does death significantly differ from life ?
Do Christians teach that the God of the universe become a fetus ?

Is Abortion right or wrong?

It's wrong

Is Evolution right or wrong?

Evolution isn't.
T.y.

[zepper899]

i don't. i think it unsux and's accurate and simple and straightforward

accurate, simple straitforward, eh?

i'm interested in Christ. Not Christianity

please regard the title of the forum

[Abortion is] wrong

lets debate!!
I suggest that abortion is not wrong. Where do you draw the line between glob of cells and a functional human. I don't suggest that it is at birth, but in the initial stages of growth, I see little difference between a fetus and any other group of cells.

Is Evolution right or wrong?

Evolution isn't.
T.y.

lets try debating that in the evolution thread.


Since you have many topics that can be more accurately and specifically debated in disparate threads, the given thread needs to be subdivided.
Since the discussion regarding Hitler's Christian status is finished (according to you), why don't we find a new thread to debate the other issues. Why don't you start a new thread to address my concerns regarding abortion.

[zepper899]

For a thought regarding the equation of abortion with Nazism, I suggest for piglet to look up Canadas leading abortion proponent, Henry Morgentaler (an Auschwitz survivor).

[Noachian]

Hitler, like many who believe they are the ones to push humanity foreward, was a darwinist/evolutionist. Believing himself to be the 'driver'/catylist of evolution. He was raised a Catholic but retained no Catholic or Christian beliefs into his adult life as a result of bad experience and due to his over-whelming belief in himself to be more important than any monotheistic Judeo-Christian characters.

[Goat]

Hitler, like many who believe they are the ones to push humanity foreward, was a darwinist/evolutionist. Believing himself to be the 'driver'/catylist of evolution. He was raised a Catholic but retained no Catholic or Christian beliefs into his adult life as a result of bad experience and due to his over-whelming belief in himself to be more important than any monotheistic Judeo-Christian characters.

Please show any quote by Hitler dealing with the TOE, 'Darwinism' or anything like that.

I can show plenty of quotes about Hitler and his attitude of HIS destiny in religion.

[micatala]

It has nothing to do with debating Christianity and religion.

Abortion and Evolution aren't Christian. Though a Christian, sadly, might hold to either or both.

Sadly, there are Christians who continue to make the false statement that evolution is un-Christian.


I think you can certainly make a case that abortion is un-Christian, although I would not say the case is a slam dunk.

On evolution, however, you are off base.

Evolution is nothing more than a description of how life has changed over time, and an explanation for how and why it has. Like any scientific theory, it says nothing about whether God exists or not or the nature of God assuming God does exist. It has nothing to say about the relative merits of various religions or religious beliefs.

It DOES imply that certain interpretations of a few passages of scripture are not consistent with the scientific evidence we have. Evolution is not the first scientific theory for which this is true. The Copernican theory also led to Christians re-interpreting a number of passages of scripture.

Abortion and Evolution are wrong. Is also a part of this thread. If zpepper wants to contribute to either the title or to dicussing the others, feel welcome to make a post for that. Thanks

Abortion may be wrong.

To say evolution is wrong (if you mean morally wrong) is like saying the color red is "wrong". It is a nonsense statement.

If you mean evolution is wrong in the sense that what it says is not true, we can certainly debate that. Certainly the scientific consensus is overwhelmingly that evolution is so well-supported that to say it is wrong in this sense amounts to simply denial of the evidence.


As far as Hitler is concerned, I would simply point out that whether Hitler believed in evolution or not, or whether he was a Christian or not is really irrelevant. He was a maniac. He would use any intellectual justification he found handy to achieve his political ends. Those who seek to discredit either evolution or Christianity by trying to tie Hitler to either are simply engaged in fallacious rhetoric that is meaningless to either the truth or value of either.

[Noachian]

Hitler, like many who believe they are the ones to push humanity foreward, was a darwinist/evolutionist. Believing himself to be the 'driver'/catylist of evolution. He was raised a Catholic but retained no Catholic or Christian beliefs into his adult life as a result of bad experience and due to his over-whelming belief in himself to be more important than any monotheistic Judeo-Christian characters.

Please show any quote by Hitler dealing with the TOE, 'Darwinism' or anything like that.

I can show plenty of quotes about Hitler and his attitude of HIS destiny in religion.

I have to shw you Hitler directly saying he was a 'Darwinist'? A narrow challange. I certainly know he used the concept of Christianity to manipulate his hatred for the Jews, but his idealologies were far from Christian and if you have any DECENT knowlage of Scriptures will know that Hitler was clearly manipulating Christ to fit his ideals, as many have.

"It points me to the man [Christ] who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were."

Hitler was no Christian...a man prehaps claiming to be Christian, using Christianity as weapon and a tool for power.....? But Christian means 'Resembling Christ', he most certainly of all people didn't. Hitler used Christianity to distract and even manipulate people from/to his evil Regime, what better way to make your reigeme justifiable than to say God wills it, a clear manipulation of what is suppose to be a pacifistic Religion. Hitler did not worship God, he worshipped himself! he replaced all Christian denominations with one single form of 'Christianity' The Church of the Reich! Bibles were banned, replaced with Mein Kanf , Crucifixes; banned and replaced with German styled Swords. I state again, Hitler; like many before him was not Christian. Hitler was a Religious maniac for his own Religion.

Hitler is well known for his views on wanting to push along what he felt nature was doing to slowly, and that is Natural Selection. He wanted Nazi Selection. To deny it would be uneducated.