Masturbation while thinking about God.

[methylatedghosts]

This came up in a discussion I had today. The question was:

If you are thinking about God while masturbating, is it ok?

This hasn't really been thought out very well, but it'll get the ball rolling

God = Love
According to Christian thought, one is supposed to only have sex with one you love, and loves you (or around about that).
Now, because God = Love, he can only love you.
Christianity tell us to strive for a special relationship with God.
Marriage is a special relationship with another human being in which you can have a sex.


So, God = love, therefore God can't do anything but love you.
If you love God, and have a special relationship with him - as christianity is so eager for us to do, you are therefore, able to have sex with God, if you so wished. Because that is not physically possible (human being physical, God being non-physical), masturbation with God on your mind is as close as you can get. So, I conclude, that masturbation while thinking about God is A-OK.

Go on, pick some holes if you like - I know I haven't done well. I want to generate a few responses.

[Cathar1950]

I am a Christian, thus it is blasphemous and abohorrent to masturbate whilst thinking about God, let alone masturbate. Masturbation is a sin according to my belief, and sin is an abomination in the eyes of a Holy and Just God.

Love,
Madeline

I don't really care what they are thinking as it isn't that interesting.
I am not advocating or recommending it to anyone.
Some people get turned on over shoes.
I hardly think masterbation is a sin.
Think about god during the act is weird but I think thinking about my grandmother during masterbation would be weird too.
But Philip J Frye got his grandmother knocked up and became his own grandfather.
This allowed him to save the universe from the brain as his mind was strange do to his being his own grandfather.
I wouldn't worry about your grammar as My spelling and grammar is always being corrected.
I just thought you used "whilst" to sound biblical or something.
It was the quote from Penn I want to make fun of.

[Madeline]

I use whilst because I learned english from my mother who is British like me, although it makes no difference because I can say while too. If you guys thinks Masturbation while thinking about God is normal, then go right ahead. I'm through discussing this...just masturbation to me is disturbing enough.

[Chad]

I use whilst because I learned english from my mother who is British like me, although it makes no difference because I can say while too. If you guys thinks Masturbation while thinking about God is normal, then go right ahead. I'm through discussing this...just masturbation to me is disturbing enough.

What is disturbing about it? It's a fairly natural act, and a seemingly harmless one as far as I can tell. Not to say that just because it's natural it's OK to do, but I see no strong reasoned arguments against someone doing it. It just part of our nature; other primates, killer whales, penguins, and even deer masturbate in some way.

[sledheavy]

Maturity is overrated.

But you are generalizing in assuming that we think it's ok to get it on to god.

Come on now,

unless you have no room for empathy you should be able to grasp what some of us are trying to say here.

It is a harmless act, you're only considering the moral (I can't even dignify it with such a word), aspects of this from ONE world view.

Although it is strange in choice, many of us are trying to imply how masterbation is a healthy, natural and clinically approved action.

Who are you or I to say it's right or wrong? Can't you at least identify the facts presented for, before calling it shameful?

Especially in that this topic brings light to a whole new development and understanding in sexual exploration, rights and choices. It seems beyond archaic that someone would feel that masterbation is such a demeaning, horrific act in this day and age. I mean I think the general consensus of generations ago started to open their minds to think outside the mundane and dreg conventionals after the 50's.

...and if you're quoting william Penn, there's a point to be made in that, lol.

I mean really, I've gotten comments so far that make it seem that just because someone masterbates he or she cannot be a civil person. There's something wrong with that.

Would I give credit to someone who can overcome addiction or obsession in this particular act? Most def.

But at the same time would I inspire guilt upon them by saying its a 'sinful' shameful act? No, IT'S THEIR CHOICE.

let them consider the actual consequences of their actions far before they consider the religious consequences or intentions. We live in a free world.

[sledheavy]

I'm through discussing this...just masturbation to me is disturbing enough.

Well at least my point on ignorance was made.

[kal-el]

I am a Christian, thus it is blasphemous and abohorrent to masturbate whilst thinking about God, let alone masturbate. Masturbation is a sin according to my belief, and sin is an abomination in the eyes of a Holy and Just God.

Love,
Madeline

Hello. All this talk about the knuckle shuffle..geese. But seriously, not everyone believes in the same brand of diety that you do, or in any diety. But it doesn't make any sense to me why a just God would deem masturbation a sin, when he provided you with all the tools need to do the job. He might as well do it himself. This kinds reminds me when God said handicapped people cannot enter the alter to give him sacrifices, yet in another verse the Godman claims responsibilty for creating people that way. If you're gonna lie at least remember your lies so you can stay on track. Geese, and people worship him, and actually refrain from self gratification because of what some sky pixie that there's 0 evidence of, we can't test for him, touch him, feel him, tast him, see him, nada, deems as a sin.

[Madeline]

I'm through discussing this with sledheavy, who can't even spell masterbation correctly.

@ "kal-el"

Let's try this one more time.

Excuse me for my "ignorance," but who or what is geese?

If you're gonna lie....

Whose lying? and what is knuckle shuffle? Btw, it would be nice if you could actually cite scripture so I can examine it and see for myself. And for you to make the statement "But it doesn't make any sense to me why a just God would deem masturbation a sin, when he provided you with all the tools need to do the job," is a perfect example of "making a God in your own image," which is breaking the second commandment. It is plain "ignorant" for human beings to think or speak on behalf of God...especially when God is perfect.

Love,
Madeline

[kal-el]

Excuse me for my "ignorance," but who or what is geese?

Lol, maybe I spelled it incorrectly, a saying, you know, like gosh.

Whose lying?

God

and what is knuckle shuffle?

Masturbation.

And for you to make the statement "But it doesn't make any sense to me why a just God would deem masturbation a sin, when he provided you with all the tools need to do the job," is a perfect example of "making a God in your own image," which is breaking the second commandment. It is plain "ignorant" for human beings to think or speak on behalf of God...especially when God is perfect.

O I see. Then it must work both ways. So Christians can be his little secretaries, but atheists must keep their mouths shut?

O, and here's the scripture you wanted.

Leveticus 21:16-23

The LORD said to Moses, 17 "Say to Aaron: 'For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy. [a] ' "

But we find:

Exodus 4:11

The Lord said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the Lord?"

Your God needs to keep track of what he said in Exodus before making statements like he did in Leveticus. Conflicting statements like so, really don't paint the Godman in a good light.

[Madeline]

Have fun! I have bigger fish to fry.

[sledheavy]

I'm through discussing this with sledheavy, who can't even spell masterbation correctly.

@ "kal-el"

Let's try this one more time.

Excuse me for my "ignorance," but who or what is geese?

If you're gonna lie....

Whose lying? and what is knuckle shuffle? Btw, it would be nice if you could actually cite scripture so I can examine it and see for myself. And for you to make the statement "But it doesn't make any sense to me why a just God would deem masturbation a sin, when he provided you with all the tools need to do the job," is a perfect example of "making a God in your own image," which is breaking the second commandment. It is plain "ignorant" for human beings to think or speak on behalf of God...especially when God is perfect.

Love,
Madeline

Ok, and now who's not being mature?

If you can't handle the evidence presented, then I suggest posting strictly in random ramblings.

Ending a discussion on nit picking spelling errors, really.

I had much more respect for your opinion before now.

But regardless of which I'm going to say that if a means to an end requires a SPECIFIC sexual preferance, mentality or idealology for what is moral or right of the majority to be diserving of a religious heaven, then I'd call that fascism. Regardless of specific 'shameful' actions.

And if that is the case I'd much rather choose to be a homosexual, far before I'd ever be a christian again.

Good luck with your 'faith'.