Evolutionary Purpose of Morality

[Wootah]

I think I worked it out.

The evolution purpose of morality is to forget the evil we have done and do.

No one can cope with the horror show of biology and human history. We are all descended for murderers, etc.

So in response morality evolved to help with an illusion that we are the good guys.

Does anyone want to debate my notion on the evolution of morality?

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[Jose Fly]

Did you even type what you wrote or was it cut and paste?

Of course I wrote it.

I think it is obvious when you step back and consider the standard narrative that it is a comforting illusion. Actually that is the point of morality from my point of view.

Ok, thanks for sharing your views.

So looking deeper, you are clinging to morality for the illusion. Who can face the horror show of biology and what are ancestors must have done and what we do to survive?

Like what? I've been studying biology for over 25 years, so I doubt there's much that would shock me.

[Wootah]

Did you even type what you wrote or was it cut and paste?

Of course I wrote it.

I think it is obvious when you step back and consider the standard narrative that it is a comforting illusion. Actually that is the point of morality from my point of view.

Ok, thanks for sharing your views.

So looking deeper, you are clinging to morality for the illusion. Who can face the horror show of biology and what are ancestors must have done and what we do to survive?

Like what? I've been studying biology for over 25 years, so I doubt there's much that would shock me.

From post 1 (with spelling fix):

No one can cope with the horror show of biology and human history. We are all descended from murderers, rapists, genocide etc.

So in response morality evolved to help with an illusion that we are the good guys.

[Jose Fly]

No one can cope with the horror show of biology and human history.

Biologists and historians do.

We are all descended from murderers, rapists, genocide etc.

Not exclusively.

So in response morality evolved to help with an illusion that we are the good guys.

Thanks again for sharing your views.

[Wootah]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #33]

Even the social cooperating theory. What were they cooperating doing?

Killing. Murder. Raping.

The fantasy that they were weaving baskets together is just that.

[Wootah]

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[Jose Fly]

Even the social cooperating theory. What were they cooperating doing?

Maintaining functional societies.

Killing. Murder. Raping.

The fantasy that they were weaving baskets together is just that.

A society where its members kill and rape each other without social consequence isn't going to last, whereas those with consequences for such actions are much more likely to function and persist.

[Purple Knight]

And totally agree that if we can trick others then morality has an advantage. It's a camouflage.

This kind of comes to something I've often thought: A world without morality as a concept - a totally selfish world where people never thought up the idea that others ought to be considered before yourself - would actually be more moral, as we think of the concept, because nice guys would get ahead. People wouldn't be afraid to reciprocate if they got a benefit out of it. People wouldn't think "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" was a dirty concept. Then, literally everyone would be nice, because they'd get something out of it.

[The Barbarian]

Might be worth reading this...


Subsequent research has certainly moved on from some of Darwin's ideas therein, but he was onto something important.

[Wootah]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #36]

Not each other. The other tribe.

[Jose Fly]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #36]

Not each other. The other tribe.

Oh sure. Many folks have noted the differences between rules for how to treat one another within a society, versus how a society treats other societies.