Is this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:28 pmNo, I’m saying the complete opposite. I’m explicitly saying one doesn’t have to have the correct/true view of God’s nature (trinitarian or not) to be saved. I’m saying one can be wrong about the trinity and still be saved.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:40 pm"Correct view" you say. Clear this up for me. You mean one must believe in the basic belief of the trinity to be saved right?
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Post #31As salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 amEphesians 2:8-102timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pmIs this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:28 pmNo, I’m saying the complete opposite. I’m explicitly saying one doesn’t have to have the correct/true view of God’s nature (trinitarian or not) to be saved. I’m saying one can be wrong about the trinity and still be saved.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:40 pm"Correct view" you say. Clear this up for me. You mean one must believe in the basic belief of the trinity to be saved right?
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
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Post #32So, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 amEphesians 2:8-102timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pmIs this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:28 pmNo, I’m saying the complete opposite. I’m explicitly saying one doesn’t have to have the correct/true view of God’s nature (trinitarian or not) to be saved. I’m saying one can be wrong about the trinity and still be saved.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:40 pm"Correct view" you say. Clear this up for me. You mean one must believe in the basic belief of the trinity to be saved right?
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
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Post #33By grace of God we are save through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:33 amSo, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 amEphesians 2:8-102timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pmIs this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:28 pmNo, I’m saying the complete opposite. I’m explicitly saying one doesn’t have to have the correct/true view of God’s nature (trinitarian or not) to be saved. I’m saying one can be wrong about the trinity and still be saved.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:40 pm"Correct view" you say. Clear this up for me. You mean one must believe in the basic belief of the trinity to be saved right?
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
Good works is the result that we are saved. Eph 2:8-10.
Working the command in Mat 28:19 where (Trinity concept) is also the result of being saved.
I believe the belief of Trinity is also important not to be save, but being already saved.
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Post #34I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. So I am saved. Right? I am saved but I don't believe in the Trinity. (And Matthew 28:19 doesn't live up to what the Trinity means....it doesn't say that all those three are equal.) So you really would say that I'm not saved? But I believe. (John 3:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:25 amBy grace of God we are save through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:33 amSo, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 amEphesians 2:8-102timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pmIs this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:28 pmNo, I’m saying the complete opposite. I’m explicitly saying one doesn’t have to have the correct/true view of God’s nature (trinitarian or not) to be saved. I’m saying one can be wrong about the trinity and still be saved.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:40 pm"Correct view" you say. Clear this up for me. You mean one must believe in the basic belief of the trinity to be saved right?
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
Good works is the result that we are saved. Eph 2:8-10.
Working the command in Mat 28:19 where (Trinity concept) is also the result of being saved.
I believe the belief of Trinity is also important not to be save, but being already saved.
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Post #35Matthew 28:19, mentions the three in singular "name". Solid proof of Trinity concept.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:24 pmI believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. So I am saved. Right? I am saved but I don't believe in the Trinity. (And Matthew 28:19 doesn't live up to what the Trinity means....it doesn't say that all those three are equal.) So you really would say that I'm not saved? But I believe. (John 3:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:25 amBy grace of God we are save through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:33 amSo, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 amEphesians 2:8-102timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pmIs this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:28 pmNo, I’m saying the complete opposite. I’m explicitly saying one doesn’t have to have the correct/true view of God’s nature (trinitarian or not) to be saved. I’m saying one can be wrong about the trinity and still be saved.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:40 pm"Correct view" you say. Clear this up for me. You mean one must believe in the basic belief of the trinity to be saved right?
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
Good works is the result that we are saved. Eph 2:8-10.
Working the command in Mat 28:19 where (Trinity concept) is also the result of being saved.
I believe the belief of Trinity is also important not to be save, but being already saved.
I am not a judge, God is regarding our salvation.
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Post #36That doesn't mean that they are all equal. Not solid proof of the trinity concept.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 3:26 amMatthew 28:19, mentions the three in singular "name". Solid proof of Trinity concept.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:24 pmI believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. So I am saved. Right? I am saved but I don't believe in the Trinity. (And Matthew 28:19 doesn't live up to what the Trinity means....it doesn't say that all those three are equal.) So you really would say that I'm not saved? But I believe. (John 3:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:25 amBy grace of God we are save through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:33 amSo, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 amEphesians 2:8-102timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pmIs this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:28 pmNo, I’m saying the complete opposite. I’m explicitly saying one doesn’t have to have the correct/true view of God’s nature (trinitarian or not) to be saved. I’m saying one can be wrong about the trinity and still be saved.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:40 pm"Correct view" you say. Clear this up for me. You mean one must believe in the basic belief of the trinity to be saved right?
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
Good works is the result that we are saved. Eph 2:8-10.
Working the command in Mat 28:19 where (Trinity concept) is also the result of being saved.
I believe the belief of Trinity is also important not to be save, but being already saved.
I am not a judge, God is regarding our salvation.
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Post #37That also doesn't mean they are not equal?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:39 pmThat doesn't mean that they are all equal. Not solid proof of the trinity concept.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 3:26 amMatthew 28:19, mentions the three in singular "name". Solid proof of Trinity concept.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:24 pmI believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. So I am saved. Right? I am saved but I don't believe in the Trinity. (And Matthew 28:19 doesn't live up to what the Trinity means....it doesn't say that all those three are equal.) So you really would say that I'm not saved? But I believe. (John 3:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:25 amBy grace of God we are save through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:33 amSo, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 amEphesians 2:8-102timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pmIs this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:28 pm
No, I’m saying the complete opposite. I’m explicitly saying one doesn’t have to have the correct/true view of God’s nature (trinitarian or not) to be saved. I’m saying one can be wrong about the trinity and still be saved.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
Good works is the result that we are saved. Eph 2:8-10.
Working the command in Mat 28:19 where (Trinity concept) is also the result of being saved.
I believe the belief of Trinity is also important not to be save, but being already saved.
I am not a judge, God is regarding our salvation.
Heb 1:3 Barnes and Clark understand Jesus and the Father are equal and of the same essence.
During creation the Spirit was there Gen 1:2. God says Let us make make man in our image. We believe God is talking to someone who also have a creating power Col 1:16.
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Post #38Heb.1:3 dos not indicate that the Father and Son are equal. Verse 2 says that the Father appointed the Son to be heir of all things. If he was God he wouldn't have to have someone appoint him to do anything. In verse 3 it says that the Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact representation of His very being. Jesus is not God but a reflection of God. He does what the Father says to do and they agree on everything. Yes, in fact it says that he sat down at God's right hand. Being of the same essence simply means that God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and so is Jesus, after he went back to heaven (I Timothy 6:16).Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:04 amThat also doesn't mean they are not equal?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:39 pmThat doesn't mean that they are all equal. Not solid proof of the trinity concept.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 3:26 amMatthew 28:19, mentions the three in singular "name". Solid proof of Trinity concept.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:24 pmI believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. So I am saved. Right? I am saved but I don't believe in the Trinity. (And Matthew 28:19 doesn't live up to what the Trinity means....it doesn't say that all those three are equal.) So you really would say that I'm not saved? But I believe. (John 3:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:25 amBy grace of God we are save through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:33 amSo, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 amEphesians 2:8-102timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pm
Is this true? One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
Good works is the result that we are saved. Eph 2:8-10.
Working the command in Mat 28:19 where (Trinity concept) is also the result of being saved.
I believe the belief of Trinity is also important not to be save, but being already saved.
I am not a judge, God is regarding our salvation.
Heb 1:3 Barnes and Clark understand Jesus and the Father are equal and of the same essence.
During creation the Spirit was there Gen 1:2. God says Let us make make man in our image. We believe God is talking to someone who also have a creating power Col 1:16.
Yes God was talking to His Son at Genesis 1:2, to whom He gave power to create. The Son created because the Father gave him the power and God created through Jesus, God being the Source of all power and out of whom everything was made. (I Corinthians 8:6)
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Post #39Clark Commentary understand the phrase underlined below as Jesus is of the same essence with the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 6:57 pmHeb.1:3 dos not indicate that the Father and Son are equal. Verse 2 says that the Father appointed the Son to be heir of all things. If he was God he wouldn't have to have someone appoint him to do anything. In verse 3 it says that the Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact representation of His very being. Jesus is not God but a reflection of God. He does what the Father says to do and they agree on everything. Yes, in fact it says that he sat down at God's right hand. Being of the same essence simply means that God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and so is Jesus, after he went back to heaven (I Timothy 6:16).Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:04 amThat also doesn't mean they are not equal?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:39 pmThat doesn't mean that they are all equal. Not solid proof of the trinity concept.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 3:26 amMatthew 28:19, mentions the three in singular "name". Solid proof of Trinity concept.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:24 pmI believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. So I am saved. Right? I am saved but I don't believe in the Trinity. (And Matthew 28:19 doesn't live up to what the Trinity means....it doesn't say that all those three are equal.) So you really would say that I'm not saved? But I believe. (John 3:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:25 amBy grace of God we are save through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:33 amSo, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 4:55 am
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.(NKJV)
We are save by the grace of God through faith, and we do good works because we are already saved by God's grace thru faith.
Doing good works in Mat 28:19. (the Trinity concept) is the result of being saved and not to be save.
Notice the word "name" in the verse is in singular form. One God in three person.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(NKJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
Good works is the result that we are saved. Eph 2:8-10.
Working the command in Mat 28:19 where (Trinity concept) is also the result of being saved.
I believe the belief of Trinity is also important not to be save, but being already saved.
I am not a judge, God is regarding our salvation.
Heb 1:3 Barnes and Clark understand Jesus and the Father are equal and of the same essence.
During creation the Spirit was there Gen 1:2. God says Let us make make man in our image. We believe God is talking to someone who also have a creating power Col 1:16.
Yes God was talking to His Son at Genesis 1:2, to whom He gave power to create. The Son created because the Father gave him the power and God created through Jesus, God being the Source of all power and out of whom everything was made. (I Corinthians 8:6)
Hebrews 1:3
[The express image of his person]
From these words it is evident:
1. That the apostle states Jesus Christ to be of the same essence with the Father, as the
apaugasma or proceeding splendour, must be the same with the augasma, or inherent splendour,
2. That Christ, though proceeding from the Father, is of the same essence; for if one augee, or splendour, produce another augee, or splendour, the produced splendour must be of the same essence with that which produces it.
(from Adam Clarke's Commentary)
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Re: You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Post #40The Son being of the "same essence" as the Father, God, simply means that they are both Spirit Beings (John 4:24; I Timothy 6:16). It doesn't mean that they are equal.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 4:12 amClark Commentary understand the phrase underlined below as Jesus is of the same essence with the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 6:57 pmHeb.1:3 dos not indicate that the Father and Son are equal. Verse 2 says that the Father appointed the Son to be heir of all things. If he was God he wouldn't have to have someone appoint him to do anything. In verse 3 it says that the Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact representation of His very being. Jesus is not God but a reflection of God. He does what the Father says to do and they agree on everything. Yes, in fact it says that he sat down at God's right hand. Being of the same essence simply means that God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and so is Jesus, after he went back to heaven (I Timothy 6:16).Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:04 amThat also doesn't mean they are not equal?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:39 pmThat doesn't mean that they are all equal. Not solid proof of the trinity concept.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 3:26 amMatthew 28:19, mentions the three in singular "name". Solid proof of Trinity concept.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:24 pmI believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and that he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. So I am saved. Right? I am saved but I don't believe in the Trinity. (And Matthew 28:19 doesn't live up to what the Trinity means....it doesn't say that all those three are equal.) So you really would say that I'm not saved? But I believe. (John 3:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:25 amBy grace of God we are save through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:33 amSo, there are two ways to be saved, grace and works, but believing Jesus is God isn't one of them? Also, you didn't address why the trinity was important.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:32 amAs salvation is God's grace through faith.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:36 am
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 (KJV)
If a person doesn't believe that Jesus is God isn't that person condemned?
If a person isn't condemned because they don't believe Jesus is God, then why is the trinity important if being saved doesn't depend on believing Jesus is God?
A person that doesn't believe that Jesus is God is he condemned or not? I am not a judge, God is. But understanding of your quoted verse specially the last phrase "Son of God" notice capital S.
If good works is the result of being saved, working on the great commission (Mat 28:19) also is the result of being saved, I believe.
Good works is the result that we are saved. Eph 2:8-10.
Working the command in Mat 28:19 where (Trinity concept) is also the result of being saved.
I believe the belief of Trinity is also important not to be save, but being already saved.
I am not a judge, God is regarding our salvation.
Heb 1:3 Barnes and Clark understand Jesus and the Father are equal and of the same essence.
During creation the Spirit was there Gen 1:2. God says Let us make make man in our image. We believe God is talking to someone who also have a creating power Col 1:16.
Yes God was talking to His Son at Genesis 1:2, to whom He gave power to create. The Son created because the Father gave him the power and God created through Jesus, God being the Source of all power and out of whom everything was made. (I Corinthians 8:6)
Hebrews 1:3
[The express image of his person]
From these words it is evident:
1. That the apostle states Jesus Christ to be of the same essence with the Father, as the
apaugasma or proceeding splendour, must be the same with the augasma, or inherent splendour,
2. That Christ, though proceeding from the Father, is of the same essence; for if one augee, or splendour, produce another augee, or splendour, the produced splendour must be of the same essence with that which produces it.
(from Adam Clarke's Commentary)