Is there a word for when one creature convinces another creature to not do something in its evolutionary interest?
Like when a cuckoo bird takes over a nest and the other bird feeds it thinking it is feeding its children?
Or more to my point, if I can convince someone they are gay or should not have children because of the planet or there is no God - what would be the word for that?
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Re: evolutionary attack
Post #31Now explain how those actions were used to justify sinful behaviour.Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:27 pm Columbine killers - literally wore a t shirt saying natural selection.
They also wrote this, “Sometime in april me and V (Klebold) will get revenge and will kick natural selection up a few notches,”
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Re: evolutionary attack
Post #32They believed that killing was justified to assist natural selection.brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:38 pmNow explain how those actions were used to justify sinful behaviour.Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:27 pm Columbine killers - literally wore a t shirt saying natural selection.
They also wrote this, “Sometime in april me and V (Klebold) will get revenge and will kick natural selection up a few notches,”
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https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna12370508
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Re: evolutionary attack
Post #33This is a bit like claiming that teacup poodles came about as a result of natural selection. If humans are doing something to "assist" natural selection, then it is not natural selection it is guided selection. So, these kids did not understand the definition of natural selection. Beyond that, so what? What do the actions of these mass-murders have to do with the reality of natural selection as a process?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:17 pmThey believed that killing was justified to assist natural selection.brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:38 pmNow explain how those actions were used to justify sinful behaviour.Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:27 pm Columbine killers - literally wore a t shirt saying natural selection.
They also wrote this, “Sometime in april me and V (Klebold) will get revenge and will kick natural selection up a few notches,”
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https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna12370508
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Re: evolutionary attack
Post #34Fantasy is all of it with the biggest fantasy being that one can convince someone else that they are gay. Of course, the mystery remains. What in the world does this have to do with evolution or an attack?
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Post #35If you read the whole article it is perfectly clear that they were not using natural selection to justify their actions. They were disturbed, violent, filled with hate and wanted to leave a lasting impression on the world. Precisely what they meant with that statement is not clear, particularly with the reference to revenge combined with some imagined consequence of their actions.Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:27 pm Columbine killers - literally wore a t shirt saying natural selection.
They also wrote this, “Sometime in april me and V (Klebold) will get revenge and will kick natural selection up a few notches,”
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Even if I granted you this one example as being valid though (I'm not), Ham stated the following:
"The growing acceptance of atheistic evolution has resulted in many rejected God as Created. Over the years, many have used evolution to justify sinful behavior.".
Are you able to offer any support for the claim of many? Can Ham honestly make that claim if there is no irrefutable evidence for it to be found?
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Re: evolutionary attack
Post #36[Replying to brunumb in post #35]
Yes, just like communism has never been tried. Or is the no true scotsmen fallacy at work?
Yes, just like communism has never been tried. Or is the no true scotsmen fallacy at work?
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Post #37Nope. Until there is valid evidence for the claim, Ham is just pulling stuff out of his back pocket. Can you prop up his claim or not?Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:05 am [Replying to brunumb in post #35]
Yes, just like communism has never been tried. Or is the no true scotsmen fallacy at work?
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Post #38Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Post #39Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Post #40This is an absurd question. Sin is either real or it is not. It can't be real for some folks and not real for others. Sin is the concept that some action violates God's rules. If there are no god/gods, then the concept of sin isn't real for anyone.
This question is addressed above.Do you believe in sinful behaviour?
The question that remains unaddressed is, "What does any of this have to do with evolution or an attack." I've asked this or some version of it numerous times and yet it remains unanswered.
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