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Eating animal is wrong - be vegetarian is right:

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:arrow: The constantly misrepresented Bible text is that humans have dominion over animals and thereby dominion means we can kill and eat animals as we wish, and that is not what the scripture declares, see here below:

Genesis 1:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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So from this we can see that directly in the next verse after saying that humanity had "dominion" over the animals - then it tells us to only eat fruits and grains.

As such dominion over the animals never meant to kill or to eat the animals.

When Jesus was asked about divorce He said = "... but from the beginning it was not so." Matthew 19:8, because it matters as to what was in the beginning, and in the beginning people were not to eat animals.

Later after people became sinful (full of sin), after Noah's ark, then people ate animals and people demanded meat to eat, so God compromised by letting sinners eat the animals but God told them how to clean and cook the meat - which was an improvement for ignorant barbaric humanity, but this was not the original plan.

As such if any person wants to really get closer to God then they need to stop living off of the violence and butchery of animal sacrifices.
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Re: Eating animal is wrong - be vegetarian is right:

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paarsurrey1 wrote: He has allowed to eat meat with certain conditions and we honor His permission.
It is true that God gave permission for humans as sinners to eat animals, but it only came after humans became sinners and people demanded the meat as food - which sinful people still demand to this day.

So if any person ever really wants to get closer to God then we must stop eating animals.

The problem is that the animals are innocent and they are defenseless and we humans need to control our brutality and our violence and we must learn to have mercy and compassion for those who are weaker and vulnerable to our self.

I know the argument that we are to be more merciful and compassionate to other people, but I find that never quite works because by eating animals we are not being merciful or compassionate to our self, and every virtue starts at home in our own life.

Trying to be merciful and compassionate to other people is just going half way and half way is never enough.

The people use to eat animals raw (with the blood) and that is why God gave them the sacrifice ritual to clean the meat and drain the blood and to cook the meat which is better then carnal and unclean humans eating raw animal meat.

God gave humanity plenty of fruits and grains and vegetation to eat - but people were brutal sinners who craved blood and guts into their bellies.

The animal sacrifices (cooking the meat) was not what God wanted = " For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. " Hosea 6:6
It is true that God gave permission for humans as sinners to eat animals
Quran does not mention that humans are sinners by birth, every human is born innocent and remains as such until one disobeys the commandment of One-True-God. Since God has permitted meat of certain animals that are not violent so eating meat of such animals is not a sin:

[5:2] O ye who believe! fulfil your compacts. Lawful are made to you quadrupeds of the classof cattle other than those which are being announced to you, except that you should not hold game to be lawful while you are in a state of pilgrimage; verily, Allah decrees what He wills.
[5:3] O ye who believe! profane not the Signs of Allah, nor the Sacred Month, nor the animals brought as an offering, nor the animals of sacrifice wearing collars, nor those repairing to the Sacred House, seeking grace from their Lord, and His pleasure. And when you put off the pilgrims’ garb and are clear of the Sacred Territory, you may hunt. And let not the enmity of a people, that they hindered you from the Sacred Mosque, incite you to transgress. And help one another in righteousness and piety; but help not one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allah; surely, Allah is severe in punishment.
[5:4] Forbidden to you is the flesh of an animal which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine; and that on which is invoked the name of one other than Allah; and that which has been strangled; and that beaten to death; and that killed by a fall; and that which has been gored to death; and that of which a wild animal has eaten, except that which you have properly slaughtered; and that which has been slaughtered at an altar. And forbidden is alsothat you seek to know your lot by the divining arrows. That is an act of disobedience. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of harming your religion. So fear them not, but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion. But whoso is forced by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, then, surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[5:5] They ask thee what is made lawful for them. Say, ‘All good things have been made lawful for you; and what you have taught the beasts and birds of prey to catch for you, training them for hunting and teaching them of what Allah has taught you. So eat of that which they catch for you, and pronounce thereon the name of Allah. And fear Allah. Surely, Allah is quick in reckoning.’
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... =5&verse=0

So, there is no sin in eating meat of the animals for whose meat God has Himself given permission. Right, please?
But it is not a compulsion on one to eat meat, one could eat fruits and vegetable if one likes. Right, please?

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paarsurrey1 wrote: Quran does not mention that humans are sinners by birth, every human is born innocent and remains as such until one disobeys the commandment of One-True-God. Since God has permitted meat of certain animals that are not violent so eating meat of such animals is not a sin:
I too see babies as being born innocent, but very soon after birth the parents start teaching the sins to their own children, and foremost is that the parents start feeding animal food to the baby / to the child.

Every innocent baby is born into this evil world.
paarsurrey1 wrote: So, there is no sin in eating meat of the animals for whose meat God has Himself given permission. Right, please?
But it is not a compulsion on one to eat meat, one could eat fruits and vegetable if one likes. Right, please?
You are correct that it is not a sin for sinners to eat meat.

It is only for a person who chooses to do better - than they need to have mercy and compassion for the animals.
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