Hello i have limited time but when you are debating someone who believes we all came from a rock (taken from 6th Grade science text book) and that the birds and bananas are related ( Darwin "Origin of spieces and the suggested theory of superior RACES") it doesn't take much time.
I know i will not be the favorite of the people that believe in the Evolution RELIGON (yes it is a religion you can debate me on that). but please keep your messages short or keep them brief and to the point as i said i have limited time.
I'm a creationist hear me roar!!!!
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killingevolution
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Re: i love this
Post #31Evolution continues to happen, and has been observed many times - including macro evolution. Furthermore, macro evolution in the past has left tons of genetic evidence.killingevolution wrote:
I do not see how you can call theories of things that happened long ago and far away but do not happen today.
Of course not everything that we can think of can evolve - and i don't think you'll find anyone who claims that in the past bugs evolved resistance to hammers (or falling rocks, for that matter), therefore that particular analogy isn't really of any use in a debate. It's nice rhetorics, but nothing more.Yes we do see Micro-Evolution but there are boundaries for example a bug may become resistant to pesticides but bugs will never become resistant to a slug hammer see what i mean?
By the way...am i correct when i guess that you got most of what you want to debate with/about from Kent Hovind? Many things sound strangely familiar.
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discolatinojoe
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somethind to think about
Post #32evolution says we slowly evolved right? Explain the Cambrian Explosion,
Charles Darwin did'nt want to kill God, as he once put it. But he did,
Time Magazine
Charles Darwin did'nt want to kill God, as he once put it. But he did,Time Magazine
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Post #33The "Cambrian Explosion" lasted tens of millions of years. What is it that you would like explained?discolatinojoe wrote:evolution says we slowly evolved right? Explain the Cambrian Explosion,
If Time Magazine says that Darwin killed god, maybe you should address that comment to the editors of Time.
Time Magazine
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discolatinojoe
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Post #34yes, sorry but thats not what i read. i don't know if you know the writers.
but Steven C. Meyer in one of his books said It was an explosion. an explosion does not last million of years. just in case.
Steven C. Meyer Ph.D in history and philosophy of science from the Uof Cambridge for desertation on origin-of-life biology and the methodology of the historical sciences .
but Steven C. Meyer in one of his books said It was an explosion. an explosion does not last million of years. just in case.
Steven C. Meyer Ph.D in history and philosophy of science from the Uof Cambridge for desertation on origin-of-life biology and the methodology of the historical sciences .
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Killing evolution, you seem to think you are rather knowledgable on this subject. Perhaps you could answer a few questions for me:
- Why do human males have nipples?
- Why do certain species of flightless beetle have wings that never open?
- Why do many species of snakes carry the rutiments of tiny legs?
- The prehistoric "Dorudon" is a whale-like creature, but with some signifigant differences. Near the end of it's tail are a useless set of tiny legs, and curiously, feet. Now what would a marine animal need with feet?
- Dinosaurs?
- What about the skeletons of past species of humans scientists have found? Did you hear about the race of tiny 3 foot humans they found in the Pacific?
- Through selective breeding, people have been able to modify pets (such as dogs) for individual purposes. A few hundred years ago there was no such thing as a "miniature poodle", or a "black labrador", or a "Bulldog". How is it that we are able to accomplish this if all species are supposed to have remained the same since creation?
- Microbial diseases. Viruses that we once were able to defeat with certain remedies have managed to adapt to these treatments, forcing us to concoct new formulas. Penecillin, once completely effective, is useless in most situations. Scientists examining these microbes have sufficiently concluded that their anatomies are quite different. Viruses that could once only infect birds are now jumping over to humans. How does this happen, except through evolution? Did God suddenly create new versions of the disease to foil our medicines?
- Insects and weeds aquire resistance to our poisons as well. DDT, invented in 1939, was an effective killer of pests. By 1950, common houseflys could bath in puddles of it and remain unharmed. Obviously the flys had to have changed, right? We know the poison didn't.
- Many scientists have taken the time to personally observe evolution in action. One experiment involved tracking 20,000 generations of a certain bacterium. A slow, almost unnoticable evolutionary change through the generations was noted.
- Speciation events (where lineage splits into two seperate species), has also been observed in the scientific community. An experiment on fruit flys, conducted over a long period of time, noted that same species of fruit fly placed in different environments eventually bred completely different species. When the two different species were brought together, they were so different that they were unable to mate.
- Biologists are good people to talk to about evolution. They use it every day in the field of genetic engineering, where certain species are forcibly modified for a variety of reasons. If you are like 99% of Americans, you probably eat food that has been generically engineered every day of your waking life. How is it that you can grow vegetables in your garden that, curiously, do not exist in the wild?
- You have noted that geological dating is not reliable, and the world cannot possibly be four billion years old. What do you find are the inefficiencies of carbon dating? Carbon accumulates on artifacts/bones in direct correlation to time. We extract a bone, measure the carbon, and figure out how old it is. I struggle to imagine why you consider this inaccurate, considering the sheer precision of the data. We find two skeletons of the same exact species thousands of miles apart, and achieve the same carbon readings. How?
- Geological dating can be measured in the same way. Sediment accumulates in direct correlation to time. An item in a certain soil/rock type, at a certain depth, where no irregular geological events have occured, is X number of years old. Always. Why?
I eagerly await your explanations.
- Why do human males have nipples?
- Why do certain species of flightless beetle have wings that never open?
- Why do many species of snakes carry the rutiments of tiny legs?
- The prehistoric "Dorudon" is a whale-like creature, but with some signifigant differences. Near the end of it's tail are a useless set of tiny legs, and curiously, feet. Now what would a marine animal need with feet?
- Dinosaurs?
- What about the skeletons of past species of humans scientists have found? Did you hear about the race of tiny 3 foot humans they found in the Pacific?
- Through selective breeding, people have been able to modify pets (such as dogs) for individual purposes. A few hundred years ago there was no such thing as a "miniature poodle", or a "black labrador", or a "Bulldog". How is it that we are able to accomplish this if all species are supposed to have remained the same since creation?
- Microbial diseases. Viruses that we once were able to defeat with certain remedies have managed to adapt to these treatments, forcing us to concoct new formulas. Penecillin, once completely effective, is useless in most situations. Scientists examining these microbes have sufficiently concluded that their anatomies are quite different. Viruses that could once only infect birds are now jumping over to humans. How does this happen, except through evolution? Did God suddenly create new versions of the disease to foil our medicines?
- Insects and weeds aquire resistance to our poisons as well. DDT, invented in 1939, was an effective killer of pests. By 1950, common houseflys could bath in puddles of it and remain unharmed. Obviously the flys had to have changed, right? We know the poison didn't.
- Many scientists have taken the time to personally observe evolution in action. One experiment involved tracking 20,000 generations of a certain bacterium. A slow, almost unnoticable evolutionary change through the generations was noted.
- Speciation events (where lineage splits into two seperate species), has also been observed in the scientific community. An experiment on fruit flys, conducted over a long period of time, noted that same species of fruit fly placed in different environments eventually bred completely different species. When the two different species were brought together, they were so different that they were unable to mate.
- Biologists are good people to talk to about evolution. They use it every day in the field of genetic engineering, where certain species are forcibly modified for a variety of reasons. If you are like 99% of Americans, you probably eat food that has been generically engineered every day of your waking life. How is it that you can grow vegetables in your garden that, curiously, do not exist in the wild?
- You have noted that geological dating is not reliable, and the world cannot possibly be four billion years old. What do you find are the inefficiencies of carbon dating? Carbon accumulates on artifacts/bones in direct correlation to time. We extract a bone, measure the carbon, and figure out how old it is. I struggle to imagine why you consider this inaccurate, considering the sheer precision of the data. We find two skeletons of the same exact species thousands of miles apart, and achieve the same carbon readings. How?
- Geological dating can be measured in the same way. Sediment accumulates in direct correlation to time. An item in a certain soil/rock type, at a certain depth, where no irregular geological events have occured, is X number of years old. Always. Why?
I eagerly await your explanations.
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Post #36
The fossils of the cambrian explosion exhibit several distinctive features, the first as the name implies,the fossils of cambrian explosion appear suddenly or abruptly.Very short time. {Steven C. Meyer}
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Post #37It takes an intelegent designer to make a thimble for your thumb.Now think about the mind of a car designer, I feel a lot of knowledge in this website, but not enough wisdom.
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also dictionaries...what is your point?discolatinojoe wrote:It takes an intelegent designer to make a thimble for your thumb.Now think about the mind of a car designer,
I do often wonder about the mind of the designer of the Grand Caravan
who put the throttle position sensor in such an inaccessible location. Why
would the designer make it so that I have to remove the air filter housing
to change such a simple part?
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