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Threat or Warning? Moral or Immoral?

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TG123 wrote:
I'm not threatening you, I'm giving you some good advice. Take it or leave it.
TG123 wrote: ...God created both heaven and hell. Those who put their faith in Him will go to heaven, those who reject Him will go to hell. Yes, I believe God is moral in everything He does, so that would include in creating both hell and heaven.
Is the "advice" we get from believers threats or warnings regarding Heaven and Hell?

Is it moral or immoral for believers to reiterate their "advice" to others?

Would you conclude the "advice" is reason to reject any religion that offers it?

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A Troubled Man wrote:
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I do not believe, for the most part, that a believer has the capacity or the ability to actually cause a person to go to hell.
Whether they do or not is irrelevant to the fact they make or reiterate those threats.
While under a certain circumstance one could, I do not believe that most Christians have such thoughts in mind when they warn people of hell, and so I believe that in all, or at least most cases, such talk by believers is merely a warning to those who might be neglecting God. It should be considered that if a non-believer is killed, he dies without God, and surely will learn what hell truly is.
That being said, you too will learn about the Hell created by other religions, and you too should heed those threats from those other gods. In fact, a long line of gods awaits us all, each one judging us for the decisions we made in our lives. They all await us like some fraternity hazing ritual, standing in line waiting to paddle our asses.
Indeed, except by some grace of God, I shall learn about hell. I hope when it's all over that something redeemable was found in me. If not, I shall surely die an eternal death.

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Sonofason wrote:
Indeed, except by some grace of God, I shall learn about hell. I hope when it's all over that something redeemable was found in me. If not, I shall surely die an eternal death.
The fact that you have chosen to follow one of the many gods who will judge, the other gods will not be pleased with your choice.

At the very least, atheists will be better off not having chosen any of them. Certainly, a god who is omniscient would understand and agree with that.

Perhaps, not choosing any particular god amongst all of them IS the right choice. :)

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A Troubled Man wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
Indeed, except by some grace of God, I shall learn about hell. I hope when it's all over that something redeemable was found in me. If not, I shall surely die an eternal death.
The fact that you have chosen to follow one of the many gods who will judge, the other gods will not be pleased with your choice.

At the very least, atheists will be better off not having chosen any of them. Certainly, a god who is omniscient would understand and agree with that.

Perhaps, not choosing any particular god amongst all of them IS the right choice. :)
When you see that a clear sky in the afternoon is blue, it's hard to try to believe it's actually red.

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Sonofason wrote:
A Troubled Man wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
Indeed, except by some grace of God, I shall learn about hell. I hope when it's all over that something redeemable was found in me. If not, I shall surely die an eternal death.
The fact that you have chosen to follow one of the many gods who will judge, the other gods will not be pleased with your choice.

At the very least, atheists will be better off not having chosen any of them. Certainly, a god who is omniscient would understand and agree with that.

Perhaps, not choosing any particular god amongst all of them IS the right choice. :)
When you see that a clear sky in the afternoon is blue, it's hard to try to believe it's actually red.

Unfortunately, it's actually midnight, and it's a deep cave.
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Sonofason wrote:
When you see that a clear sky in the afternoon is blue, it's hard to try to believe it's actually red.
And, that means what, exactly? Do you have a point or was that just something tossed out of thin air to take up space on a server?

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A Troubled Man wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
When you see that a clear sky in the afternoon is blue, it's hard to try to believe it's actually red.
And, that means what, exactly? Do you have a point or was that just something tossed out of thin air to take up space on a server?
Well, you had said:
The fact that you have chosen to follow one of the many gods who will judge, the other gods will not be pleased with your choice.
You see, you suggest that I have chosen among many gods to follow, and have decided on one of many choices. But that is like saying that I had many color skies to choose from on a clear day in the afternoon. But surely, on a clear day, in the middle of the afternoon, there is only one color to the sky. It's blue. You see, there are not many choices of gods for me to choose from. I have only been in the presence of one. And so to choose some other would be like saying the sky is green in the middle of the afternoon on a clear day, when I can clearly see it is blue.

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At the very least, atheists will be better off not having chosen any of them. Certainly, a god who is omniscient would understand and agree with that.
Perhaps, not choosing any particular god amongst all of them IS the right choice.
Clearly a blind man cannot see that the sky is blue. If a blind man were to believe that the sky is blue, he'd have to accept the word of other people. I have no problem with blind people disbelieving in blue skies in the middle of the afternoon on a clear day.

But for me, who can see, it would be utterly dishonest if I should try to claim that there is no color to the sky. It's blue. I can see it. It's blue.

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You see, you suggest that I have chosen among many gods to follow, and have decided on one of many choices. But that is like saying that I had many color skies to choose from on a clear day in the afternoon. But surely, on a clear day, in the middle of the afternoon, there is only one color to the sky. It's blue. You see, there are not many choices of gods for me to choose from. I have only been in the presence of one. And so to choose some other would be like saying the sky is green in the middle of the afternoon on a clear day, when I can clearly see it is blue.
Oh, I see now, you have deliberately and willfully ignored all the other gods throughout history purported to exist and worshiped by hordes of people. Thanks for the clarification and the admittance of being dishonest.
Clearly a blind man cannot see that the sky is blue. If a blind man were to believe that the sky is blue, he'd have to accept the word of other people. I have no problem with blind people disbelieving in blue skies in the middle of the afternoon on a clear day.
And, you have no problem with being willfully disingenuous and dishonest, too.
But for me, who can see, it would be utterly dishonest if I should try to claim that there is no color to the sky. It's blue. I can see it. It's blue.
True, but you are utterly dishonest in not acknowledging all the other gods.

Btw, did you know the sky is not blue after the sun sets? What color is it, then?

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A Troubled Man wrote: Thanks for the clarification and the admittance of being dishonest.

And, you have no problem with being willfully disingenuous and dishonest, too.

True, but you are utterly dishonest in not acknowledging all the other gods.
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[Replying to post 1 by A Troubled Man]

It is obviously a warning rather than a threat from TG123 since TG123 doesn't claim to have the power to send to heaven or Hell, and TG123 is not the one that came up with this religious doctrine.

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A Troubled Man wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
You see, you suggest that I have chosen among many gods to follow, and have decided on one of many choices. But that is like saying that I had many color skies to choose from on a clear day in the afternoon. But surely, on a clear day, in the middle of the afternoon, there is only one color to the sky. It's blue. You see, there are not many choices of gods for me to choose from. I have only been in the presence of one. And so to choose some other would be like saying the sky is green in the middle of the afternoon on a clear day, when I can clearly see it is blue.
Oh, I see now, you have deliberately and willfully ignored all the other gods throughout history purported to exist and worshiped by hordes of people. Thanks for the clarification and the admittance of being dishonest.
Clearly a blind man cannot see that the sky is blue. If a blind man were to believe that the sky is blue, he'd have to accept the word of other people. I have no problem with blind people disbelieving in blue skies in the middle of the afternoon on a clear day.
And, you have no problem with being willfully disingenuous and dishonest, too.
But for me, who can see, it would be utterly dishonest if I should try to claim that there is no color to the sky. It's blue. I can see it. It's blue.
True, but you are utterly dishonest in not acknowledging all the other gods.

Btw, did you know the sky is not blue after the sun sets? What color is it, then?
Which of course is why I have been repeatedly very clear, I quote myself,
But surely, on a clear day, in the middle of the afternoon, there is only one color to the sky.
Should I show you again?
But surely, on a clear day, in the middle of the afternoon, there is only one color to the sky.
If I said it again, would it sink in?
But surely, on a clear day, in the middle of the afternoon, there is only one color to the sky.
I find it interesting that you are trying to call me dishonest. Where is your argument? You don't have one. But I've given one, and it is far superior to your insults and lies. But that is because I am superior to all atheists. That is because I have the wisdom of God on my side. You, being an atheist, don't have any of that good stuff.

This is why, my dear friend, context is so important. Had you bothered to read what I had said, and I mean everything that I said, you would know that I am right. I'm always right.

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