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[rapture101]

Why dont you belive Jesus Christ died for our sins,And,The Missiah is coming back?


Can you guys please explain that??

[AlAyeti]

The C & E thread is hysteria driven. I see evolution in the correct light. I see no reason to tell children there is no tooth fairy so why banter with evolutionsts.

You deny evidence for the historical Jesus. Fine. I am not going to waste time posting url's, you will not open your mind to research. I suppose the Christians that went to their deaths in the Coliseum believed in Tommy Christ, or maybe Steve Christ. Deny Jesus all you want. It is your choice.

Christian Apologists have good points and some atheists have some as well from their perspective. No difference. I chose the Christian view as correct. God created time and space. Being where neither exist.

Circular easoning is far better used by the non-godians. God doesn't exist because I say so and I say so because he doesn't exist. Not very enightened. More like a tantruming three-year old.

Like I said, I believe you are wrong, and "politically" I will oppose everything atheism tries to implement on the world. Things that I have witnessed first hand that atheism indeed spawns on the world.

But I certainly want any individual person to live a long a peaceful life with your own beliefs. Just don't force them on everyone else. That is "intolerance."

But I do see that atheists and humanists are far better for the health and well-being of Christians than from the religious peoples who currently hack us to death, imprison us and outlaw our culture and freedoms.

I'd rather suffer snide elite smugness than to see my children burned to death in a church or enslaved in a Middle East or African, or Eastern European country.

[bernee51]

The C & E thread is hysteria driven.

Why should your opinion on the matter be considered...you know nothing about the topic.

I see evolution in the correct light.

You see evolution as the 'party line' tells you to. This is self-evident by the ridiculous claims you make about it. These are the exact claims one finds on creationist web sites.

I see no reason to tell children there is no tooth fairy so why banter with evolutionsts.

Yet you are happy to inculcate children with fairy stories about a mythical god and his alleged son.

You deny evidence for the historical Jesus. Fine. I am not going to waste time posting url's, you will not open your mind to research.

No need - I have already seen many - because I have opened my mind up to the research.

Can you make the same claim? Can you list any site that you have actually read that provides a counter to the Jesus myth. I doubt it.

You are programmed to unswervingly repeat the party line. You have handed over your rational mind to dogma.

I suppose the Christians that went to their deaths in the Coliseum believed in Tommy Christ, or maybe Steve Christ. Deny Jesus all you want. It is your choice.

No one is denying there were christians in the 1st century CE. It doesn't prove there was a man called Jesus. You yourself have stated that christianity was a roman invention.

Circular easoning is far better used by the non-godians. God doesn't exist because I say so and I say so because he doesn't exist.

Give me one example from this forum where I have used such reasoning. You can't because I haven't.

You are simply parroting me because you do not understand logic.

"Debating you is like being flogged with warm lettuce" (Thank you PJK)

Not very enightened. More like a tantruming three-year old.

Again the pot and kettle syndrome. I have come to expect it.

Like I said, I believe you are wrong,

You can believe what ever you like...it doesn't make you right.

and "politically" I will oppose everything atheism tries to implement on the world.

'Atheism' cannot implement anything. The EAC doesn't exist.

Things that I have witnessed first hand that atheism indeed spawns on the world.

And what has 'atheism' spawned that you have witnessed 'first hand'?

[Curious]

Why dont you belive Jesus Christ died for our sins,And,The Missiah is coming back?


Can you guys please explain that??

I believe this question deserves more than the contempt it has been given so far in many of the posts so I will give my answer honestly and hope that you at least think about what I say.
I am a Christian in the true sense of the word and hold the message to be more important than the messenger. You believe the message according to people who never knew Jesus and whose followers systematically slaughtered the followers of the true message so that the church could assert dominion. Jesus said, "Grapes are not harvested from thorn trees, nor are figs gathered from thistles, for they yield no fruit". By its fruit you will know the tree.
Nobody when reading the parable of the sower or of the prodigal son says"did this person really exist" because it is the message that is important not the historicity of the characters. To say that only through faith in Jesus Christ as God and saviour can you gain salvation is absurd as Jesus said "as you do unto the least so you do unto me". This would mean that if I pinned my salvation on a human I would do this as to Jesus. No, it is works not faith that is meant here and maybe Paul put faith because his previous works had been so foul.
I am obviously putting myself in a position where I may get some severe backlash from this reply but I thought the question deserved an honest answer.

[USIncognito]

I realize there are 4 pages of replies, but I don't have time to read through them so I'll just state my response to the OP.

Partially, I don't think there is any inherant taint of sin on humans since I don't belive what Genesis describes occured in Eden. More broadly, I don't believe humans have a soul and that I should be concerned about any sort of "after-death" disposition of it.

[Joe]

Using a similar arguement as used against evolution, there is a lack of evidence available. The Bible is no more than an old written text based on stories that in many cases have been taken from previous cultures stories and pagan religious beliefs. A little investigation will provide necessary proof of this. Noahs ark, and the flood being just one instance.

[toxibunny]

personally, I reckon the moral behind the jesus crucifixion story is :

There was once a good, intelligent man, and they killed him*, simply for living without fear.

the 'god sacrificed himself/his son to himself' thing just seems nonsensical to me.




*by 'they', I mean 'the authorities' not 'the jews', in case you were wondering...

[Cathar1950]

When you think of people Jews that died by crucifixion for their beliefs that were considered heros it is not surprising at least one or two were remembered. Josephus writes of the two sons of a Galilean hero that were crucified a James and Simon by the same guy that killed James and arrested Peter in Acts. Josephus I believe even writes about three guys being crucified and one taken down and survived.