"A FLOOD of NONSENSE! - Global Flood or Mass Extinctions?"

[Miles]

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A delightful explanation of why the notion of a global flood---the Noachian Flood---doesn't make any sense.




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Question: Is any of what Forrest Valkai, the host, said, wrong? If so, what and why?


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[Diagoras]

Massive extinction events evidence by widespread fields of fossils testify of massive flooding and burial of large numbers of animals in flood deposits.

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Is there any layer in the fossil record that holds just two of every kind of animal (excluding dinosaurs)? And has it been dated to just a few thousand (rather than tens or hundreds of millions of years ago)?

[marke]

Massive extinction events evidence by widespread fields of fossils testify of massive flooding and burial of large numbers of animals in flood deposits.

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Is there any layer in the fossil record that holds just two of every kind of animal (excluding dinosaurs)? And has it been dated to just a few thousand (rather than tens or hundreds of millions of years ago)?

I find amusing but not scientific the evolutionists explanations for the unsettling fact of out of order fossils uncovered in the Bone Valley fossil field in Florida.

[The Barbarian]

Massive extinction events evidence by widespread fields of fossils testify of massive flooding and burial of large numbers of animals in flood deposits.

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Is there any layer in the fossil record that holds just two of every kind of animal (excluding dinosaurs)? And has it been dated to just a few thousand (rather than tens or hundreds of millions of years ago)?

I find amusing but not scientific the evolutionists explanations for the unsettling fact of out of order fossils uncovered in the Bone Valley fossil field in Florida.

Sounds interesting. Show us what you have. Last time I checked that story, it was a creationist hoax. But maybe you've got something real. Show us. The usual scam depends on spring flooding washing fossils out of the deposits and washing them downstream to settle in a jumble of Miocene, Pliocene, and Pliestocene fossils. Apparently, the creationists never wonder why there aren't any fossils from other periods in the deposits washed downstream.

I suspect that some of them may really be sincere and have no idea why the fossils washed downstream don't sort out by age.

[marke]

Massive extinction events evidence by widespread fields of fossils testify of massive flooding and burial of large numbers of animals in flood deposits.

<bolding mine>

Is there any layer in the fossil record that holds just two of every kind of animal (excluding dinosaurs)? And has it been dated to just a few thousand (rather than tens or hundreds of millions of years ago)?

I find amusing but not scientific the evolutionists explanations for the unsettling fact of out of order fossils uncovered in the Bone Valley fossil field in Florida.

Sounds interesting. Show us what you have. Last time I checked that story, it was a creationist hoax. But maybe you've got something real. Show us. The usual scam depends on spring flooding washing fossils out of the deposits and washing them downstream to settle in a jumble of Miocene, Pliocene, and Pliestocene fossils. Apparently, the creationists never wonder why there aren't any fossils from other periods in the deposits washed downstream.

I suspect that some of them may really be sincere and have no idea why the fossils washed downstream don't sort out by age.

Not to fear. Evolutionist writers have come up with a theory they think adequately explains the out-of-dating order of the fossils found in Bone Valley. They surmise that hurricanes and floods dislodged fossil sediments and reworked the sediments so they resettled in their current order, supposedly giving the false impression that the fossils are out of dating order.

https://fipr.floridapoly.edu/about-us/p ... story.phps Natural History
Fossils: What They Tell Us About Florida’s Natural History

Since the sea rose and receded from Florida many times and sediments were reworked each time, the remains of ancient land and sea animals are often mixed together, making it difficult to be sure where animals lived and at what time. Typically, however, the oldest land animals are found in higher elevations in the northern third of the state and along the central ridge, but the creatures of Florida’s last two million years – the Pleistocene animals – are found throughout Florida’s strata.

I see this sort of excuse making for inconvenient facts as nothing more than fictionary evolutionist story telling.

[Diagoras]

Massive extinction events evidence by widespread fields of fossils testify of massive flooding and burial of large numbers of animals in flood deposits.

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Is there any layer in the fossil record that holds just two of every kind of animal (excluding dinosaurs)? And has it been dated to just a few thousand (rather than tens or hundreds of millions of years ago)?

I find amusing but not scientific the evolutionists explanations for the unsettling fact of out of order fossils uncovered in the Bone Valley fossil field in Florida.

Perhaps you could spell out (here in a scientific forum) precisely which ‘out of order fossils’ you are alluding to?

Following on from that, it would be helpful if you could clarify your position on what constitutes a ‘preponderance of evidence’ relating to fossils. Your comment about what amuses you suggests you consider the fossil record unreliable.

Similarly, a link to any ‘two of each kind’ fossil evidence to support a biblical flood would go a long way to support your position.

[marke]

Massive extinction events evidence by widespread fields of fossils testify of massive flooding and burial of large numbers of animals in flood deposits.

<bolding mine>

Is there any layer in the fossil record that holds just two of every kind of animal (excluding dinosaurs)? And has it been dated to just a few thousand (rather than tens or hundreds of millions of years ago)?

I find amusing but not scientific the evolutionists explanations for the unsettling fact of out of order fossils uncovered in the Bone Valley fossil field in Florida.

Perhaps you could spell out (here in a scientific forum) precisely which ‘out of order fossils’ you are alluding to?

Following on from that, it would be helpful if you could clarify your position on what constitutes a ‘preponderance of evidence’ relating to fossils. Your comment about what amuses you suggests you consider the fossil record unreliable.

Similarly, a link to any ‘two of each kind’ fossil evidence to support a biblical flood would go a long way to support your position.

How do secularists measure the age of a fossil? By matching the age of the fossil with the age of the layer of sediment in which the fossil is found. How do secularists measure the age of sediments? By dating them according to the age of the fossils found in them. Assigning old ages to fossils began long before the existence of any instruments designed to test ages and when instruments were designed to test ages those instruments were calibrated under the assumption that the untested old ages were accurate. That is why we have such a wide disparity between the assumed ages of dinoisaurs and the tested ages of dinosaurs.

[Diagoras]

Assigning old ages to fossils began long before the existence of any instruments designed to test ages and when instruments were designed to test ages those instruments were calibrated under the assumption that the untested old ages were accurate. That is why we have such a wide disparity between the assumed ages of dinoisaurs and the tested ages of dinosaurs.

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Here’s a link to a guide on dating rocks. No requirement to ‘calibrate’ anything against fossils.
https://www.usgs.gov/observatories/yvo/ ... mic%20rays

It’s pretty straightforward to design an experiment to verify the age of a fossil: take samples of fossils and the rocks surrounding them, then conduct multiple independent tests to determine their age.

[marke]

Assigning old ages to fossils began long before the existence of any instruments designed to test ages and when instruments were designed to test ages those instruments were calibrated under the assumption that the untested old ages were accurate. That is why we have such a wide disparity between the assumed ages of dinoisaurs and the tested ages of dinosaurs.

<bolding mine>

Here’s a link to a guide on dating rocks. No requirement to ‘calibrate’ anything against fossils.
https://www.usgs.gov/observatories/yvo/ ... mic%20rays

It’s pretty straightforward to design an experiment to verify the age of a fossil: take samples of fossils and the rocks surrounding them, then conduct multiple independent tests to determine their age.

No rock dating method is flawless and every rock dating method yields dates that are subject to error.

[Diagoras]

Are you still claiming all instruments are wrongly calibrated?

What evidence can you provide to support a claim that dating methods are inaccurate?