Most Christians are "Christian" Because they were Indoctrinated as Children

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Most Christians are "Christian" Because they were Indoctrinated as Children

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In the post "Christians: aren't you embarrassed and angry?" posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=1073778
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When they finally "get it" and realize most of them are Christians mainly because of childhood indoctrination and step out of the bondage of fantasy they were taught at an early age, then they are embarrassed or angry or both. ... and it has little to do with the reasons stated in post #1.
This suggests the current topic, 'Most Christians are "Christian" Because they were Indoctrinated as Children.'

In support of this proposition I quote from the Southern Nazarene University website,
http://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/ages.htm where they claim 85% of Christians have their conversion experience ("are saved") at ages 4 to 14 and only 4% after the age of 30.

Parenthetically I note the human brain does not fully develop until about age 25.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/
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oldbadger wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:36 am
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:54 am
Marke: I believe all scriptures apply to me. I give a good percentage of my meager income to the poor but I do not support the Marxist idea of confiscating the billions of hoarded wealth of American politicians and others to give to the poor so I do not have to give of my own earnings.
Mark 10:21
Jesus told the young man ,'Sell your riches and give to the poor'.

I wonder what all those rich billionaires do with their thousands of millions of dollars........ Worship them?

Marke: The overwhelming majority of the selfish rich are unbelievers who have little compassion on the poor. I don't know any Christians in my fellowship who are rich or who selfishly deny the cries of the poor for help.

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oldbadger wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 12:20 am
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:14 pm
Marke: I am satisfied that God approves of my giving.
Your God might be, but if he exists I wonder what he would think about your opinions in connection with community help for the sick, homeless, unemployed and more?
Marke: I support government efforts to help the poor that do not involve enabling the criminal or incompetent to be given working American's money for not working

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Clownboat wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:43 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:48 am
Clownboat wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 4:33 pm
marke wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 10:47 am I no longer think like I did before I got saved and I no longer stumble over scriptures that unbelievers have all sorts of problems with.
That's great to hear! I stumble over Matthew 27:52-53 a bit. Since you no longer stumble, because you are a believer and that makes you not stumble presumably, please clarify.

Matthew 27:52-53
New King James Version
52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

and

Psalm 137:9
New King James Version
9 Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!
Marke: As an appropriate application of Psalm 137:9 in our modern world where Palestinians burned Jewish babies alive in microwaves and beheaded them a similar message to the bloody murdering Palestinians could be: "Not happy shall he be who murders all the Jews in the world but happy shall he be who murders your babies instead for your depraved insanity."
It's hard to imagine anyone dashing babies against rocks and being happy about it. It reads as a ploy to vilify a people if you ask me.

Why did you not clarify about the dead bodies that got out of their graves and walked Jerusalem? I and many Christians still stumble over that one, so your clarification would be appreciated by many.
Marke: The Bible said some of the dead rose again after Jesus raised Himself from the dead and I see no reason to doubt it, and certainly nobody can prove that did not happen.

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oldbadger wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:54 am
marke wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:03 pm
Marke: I am not convinced the democrats care for the poor after wasting so many billions of dollars that were supposed to have been spent on the poor, like the nearly $1 billion the deBlasios were supposed to have spent on the poor that simply disappeared. Stacey Abrams got $2 billion dollars she was supposed to spend buying more efficient appliances to lower energy costs for some Georgia residents. How is that supposed to be solving poverty in Georgia in the name of saving the environment?
But you've already told us before all that your Jesus has not ordered your government to look after any poor. I remember making mention of the Mosaic poor laws to you and you told me straight that Jesus had not ordered your government thus.

So I don't understand why you keep thinking of other excuses for not having benefits for the needy.
Marke: I specifically said that I have not been led by Jesus to try to force the US government to take money from taxpayers to give to others who do not work or pay taxes.

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oldbadger wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 11:34 am
marke wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:09 am Marke: I personally give portions of my earnings to the poor. Whether the rich give of their wealth to the poor is not my concern. Jesus did not tell Christians to force their governments to give tax money to the poor.[/b]
But that's a big cop out, isn't it?

Do you mean to tell us all that your government is not a Christian one? I suppose that could be true.

Marke: The US is not a theocracy and can hardly be said to be a majority Christian nation.

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marke wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:18 pm
Marke: According to US social standings, I am below poverty level. How is it that you falsely accuse me of not acknowledging what Jesus said about riches?
Many poor people are not Christians, Marke.
Because of your opinions expressed about care-in-community and neighbourly love it does look as if your idea of Christianity is mainly based upon 'I'm saved so I'm alright'.

Many Christians that I know wouldn't think that you are a Christian..

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oldbadger wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:51 am
marke wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:18 pm
Marke: According to US social standings, I am below poverty level. How is it that you falsely accuse me of not acknowledging what Jesus said about riches?
Many poor people are not Christians, Marke.
Because of your opinions expressed about care-in-community and neighbourly love it does look as if your idea of Christianity is mainly based upon 'I'm saved so I'm alright'.

Many Christians that I know wouldn't think that you are a Christian..
Marke: What is your point here? Am I wrong to hold my views because I am a Christian? Should you judge me to be an unbeliever because I oppose socialism and Marxism?

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marke wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:17 am
Marke: What is your point here? Am I wrong to hold my views because I am a Christian? Should you judge me to be an unbeliever because I oppose socialism and Marxism?
My point?
Many Christians where I live don't think you understand what Christianity is...... Actually, that's worth a new thread.

There's a massive difference between what Jesus said and did and what churches can support.

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oldbadger wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:16 am
marke wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:17 am
Marke: What is your point here? Am I wrong to hold my views because I am a Christian? Should you judge me to be an unbeliever because I oppose socialism and Marxism?
My point?
Many Christians where I live don't think you understand what Christianity is...... Actually, that's worth a new thread.

There's a massive difference between what Jesus said and did and what churches can support.
Marke: You obviously have your opinions about Christianity and I have mine. I must follow what I believe is God's Word, and not what someone else believes.

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marke wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:30 am
Marke: You obviously have your opinions about Christianity and I have mine. I must follow what I believe is God's Word, and not what someone else believes.
Many people call themselves 'Christian' but follow something else.

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