"A FLOOD of NONSENSE! - Global Flood or Mass Extinctions?"

[Miles]

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A delightful explanation of why the notion of a global flood---the Noachian Flood---doesn't make any sense.




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Question: Is any of what Forrest Valkai, the host, said, wrong? If so, what and why?


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[LittleNipper]

Mohammad brought no honor to GOD by his flight. He was promoting himself and made up this story to be revered.

You're talking about Mahammad, I'm talking about Mohammed who clearly flew on the winged horse to being honor to Allah, the one true God.
I like your style of debate. It's easy!

Next...

When has flying on a winged horse brought honor to anyone other than its supposed rider?

[boatsnguitars]

Mohammad brought no honor to GOD by his flight. He was promoting himself and made up this story to be revered.

You're talking about Mahammad, I'm talking about Mohammed who clearly flew on the winged horse to being honor to Allah, the one true God.
I like your style of debate. It's easy!

Next...

When has flying on a winged horse brought honor to anyone other than its supposed rider?

When hasn't it brought honor to Allah? Maybe you haven't been taught that the two are synonymous? One has to be taught to recognize the signs. Like Jesus washing feet: I could ask, "When has that ever brought honor to someone?!"
You'd respond by saying, "You'd have to understand the context! It was considered a great honor! By Jesus washing the persons feet it brought honor to God to show how Jesus thought to highly of even the lowest individual!"

Religion is all signs and narrative. You have to be brought up in the religion to understand it all. It's all pretty basic stuff.

[LittleNipper]

Mohammad brought no honor to GOD by his flight. He was promoting himself and made up this story to be revered.

You're talking about Mahammad, I'm talking about Mohammed who clearly flew on the winged horse to being honor to Allah, the one true God.
I like your style of debate. It's easy!

Next...

When has flying on a winged horse brought honor to anyone other than its supposed rider?

When hasn't it brought honor to Allah? Maybe you haven't been taught that the two are synonymous? One has to be taught to recognize the signs. Like Jesus washing feet: I could ask, "When has that ever brought honor to someone?!"
You'd respond by saying, "You'd have to understand the context! It was considered a great honor! By Jesus washing the persons feet it brought honor to God to show how Jesus thought to highly of even the lowest individual!"

Religion is all signs and narrative. You have to be brought up in the religion to understand it all. It's all pretty basic stuff.

A Muslim finds freedom...

[otseng]

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[marke]

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A delightful explanation of why the notion of a global flood---the Noachian Flood---doesn't make any sense.




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Question: Is any of what Forrest Valkai, the host, said, wrong? If so, what and why?


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The fossil record of the mass extinction event and the remarkable preservation of massive numbers of fossils have no better explanation than the global flood.

[Clownboat]

The fossil record of the mass extinction event and the remarkable preservation of massive numbers of fossils have no better explanation than the global flood.

Which mass extinction event are you referring to and what does it have to do with the flood story in the Bible?

There have been five mass extinctions in Earth's history:
End Ordovician: 444 million years ago
Late Devonian: 360 million years ago
End Permian: 250 million years ago
End Triassic: 200 million years ago
End Cretaceous: 65 million years ago

[marke]

The fossil record of the mass extinction event and the remarkable preservation of massive numbers of fossils have no better explanation than the global flood.

Which mass extinction event are you referring to and what does it have to do with the flood story in the Bible?

There have been five mass extinctions in Earth's history:
End Ordovician: 444 million years ago
Late Devonian: 360 million years ago
End Permian: 250 million years ago
End Triassic: 200 million years ago
End Cretaceous: 65 million years ago

Secular dating methods are fraught with error. A rock less than 10 years old from the Mt. St. Helen's eruption was dated at 1 million years old, and that is just one of thousands of troublesome test results computed with flawed testing methods and assumptions. Secularists tag various extinction events with wildly differing ages, but those results cannot be irrefutably verified. Neverthelsee, let's examine some of the several theories secularists have come up with in efforts to explain the unknown causes of the events. This one is about the extinction of dinosaurs and was concocted about 30 years ago to try to expain what might have caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. The theory is foolish but let's skip that obvious fact in order to make another point: The theory is an educated guess at best, which has since been supplanted by better theories, as is the way scientific guessing is done.

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Although the best-known cause of a mass extinction is the asteroid impact that killed off the non-avian dinosaurs, in fact, volcanic activity seems to have wreaked much more havoc on Earth's biota. Volcanic activity is implicated in at least four mass extinctions, while an asteroid is a suspect in just one.

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Recent research suggests that while an asteroid impact likely played a role in the extinction of dinosaurs, massive volcanic eruptions, particularly from the Deccan Traps in India, may have been the primary cause, casting doubt on the idea that the asteroid impact alone wiped out the dinosaurs completely.

[Clownboat]

Secular dating methods are fraught with error.

Your opinion is noted and is something that is fairly commonly held among young earth creationists. However, this fails to address which extinction event you are talking about.

A rock less than 10 years old from the Mt. St. Helen's eruption was dated at 1 million years old,

What was the process that created this rock? Do you believe that new rocks are being created all the time or do volcanoes bring existing rocks to the surface? If they bring existing rocks to the surface, would you think that those rocks would date to be old or new?

and that is just one of thousands of troublesome test results computed with flawed testing methods and assumptions.

You don't say!

You also failed to explain what one of these extinction events would have to do with the flood story we can read in the Bible.

Neverthelsee, let's examine some of the several theories secularists have come up with in efforts to explain the unknown causes of the events. This one is about the extinction of dinosaurs and was concocted about 30 years ago to try to explain what might have caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Got it! So scientists didn't make observations, and then hypothesizes to then explain the observations and then form falsifiable theories to test against? They just wanted to explain dinosaur extinction 30 years ago? Is that really your argument?

The theory is foolish

It must be very empowering to convince yourself that you actually understand things better than our experts that have dedicated their lives to that which you critique. That is probably a good feeling and I can understand why a person may want to maintain such a feeling.

[marke]

Secular dating methods are fraught with error.

Your opinion is noted and is something that is fairly commonly held among young earth creationists. However, this fails to address which extinction event you are talking about.

There is no unified agreement among secularists as to how many extinction events occurred, when they occurred, or what caused them.

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Mass Extinctions: The 5 Biggest Dying Events in History ...

According to most scientific consensus, there have been five major mass extinction events in Earth's history, with the most widely recognized being the Ordovician-Silurian, Late Devonian, Permian-Triassic, Triassic-Jurassic, and Cretaceous-Paleogene extinctions; these events were primarily caused by rapid and dramatic climate changes often linked to volcanic activity, asteroid impacts, or significant shifts in sea levels, leading to large-scale environmental disruptions that wiped out a significant portion of life on Earth at the time.

Breakdown of the major mass extinctions and their potential causes:

Ordovician-Silurian Extinction (around 445 million years ago):
Considered the second most severe extinction event, likely caused by global cooling and significant sea level drops due to glacial expansion.

Late Devonian Extinction (around 370 million years ago):
Multiple potential causes including oxygen depletion in the oceans, climate change, and volcanic activity.

Permian-Triassic Extinction (around 252 million years ago):
The most devastating extinction event, often referred to as "The Great Dying," with the likely cause being massive volcanic eruptions releasing large amounts of greenhouse gases.

Triassic-Jurassic Extinction (around 201 million years ago):
Believed to be triggered by volcanic activity leading to climate change and ocean acidification, paving the way for dinosaur dominance.

Cretaceous-Paleogene Extinction (around 66 million years ago):
Widely accepted as caused by a large asteroid impact, leading to the extinction of the dinosaurs.

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[marke]

Secular dating methods are fraught with error.

A rock less than 10 years old from the Mt. St. Helen's eruption was dated at 1 million years old,

What was the process that created this rock? Do you believe that new rocks are being created all the time or do volcanoes bring existing rocks to the surface? If they bring existing rocks to the surface, would you think that those rocks would date to be old or new?

I assume that a rock created by a modern volcano is dated the same way a rock created by ancient volcanoes is dated. If a derived date for a rock of a known age is wildly erroneous then that does not give us confidence that other derived dates from the past are to be trusted to be accurate.