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Christians: Does this embarrass you?

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Christians: Do you ever feel like you have been left 'holding the bag' having to defend the Christian Testament? Forced to come up with all sorts of torturous explanations to defend the writings of your religion? Respond to the following:
EXAMPLE:

BELOW IS QUOTE FROM GALATIONS AND THE PASSAGE IN GENESIS THAT GALATIANS REFERS TO.

"But the promises were spoken to Abraham and his seed. He does not say, And unto seeds, as of many; but as of one; And thy seed, which is Christ."

"Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father. And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed"

THE CLAIM: Galatians claims that it says seed not seeds. Therefore it means one seed meaning Jesus.
THE PROBLEM: In Hebrew, the word seed is written the same in the singular and the plural: ZERA. The same way the word sheep in English is the same for singular and plural.

THE QUESTION FOR CHRISTIANS: How do you defend Galations that claims if it meant more than one seed it would have said it. As if the word ZERA would say ZERAS if it meant plural. NO IT WOULDNT.
How does it feel having to conjuring up some explanation to save the ignorant writer of Galatians who didn't know that the word seed in Hebrew is the same in singular and in the plural

CHRISTIANS: YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED. ARE YOU ANGRY WITH ME FOR SHOWING YOU OR ANGRY THAT THE WRITER OF GALATIANS USED DECEPTION TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE?

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Re: Christians: Does this embarrass you?

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RBD wrote: Thu Sep 04, 2025 4:31 pm And I don't argue the NT with unbelievers in the NT. No point.
I (generic) don't argue a flat earth with flat earth unbelievers. There is no point.
I don't argue the Qur'an with unbelievers in the Qur'an. There is no point.
I don't argue Bigfoot with Bigfoot unbelievers. There is no point.

I will however defend any argument, and I mean any argument you can think of... as long as you believe that whatever I am arguing is correct.
Anyone notice a defense mechanism at play?
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Re: Christians: Does this embarrass you?

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Athetotheist wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 3:25 pm
bjs1 wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:14 pm
Avoice wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 2:58 am [Replying to bjs1 in post #236]

It is very clear that the Hebrew scriptures are speakibg in the plural. NOT in the singular like the Christian testament claims it does.
Really? How so?
We went over that in post #3.
You have interpreted the meaning of the text. I am fine with your interpretation. My responses have been to those who have commented on Hebrew grammar, not on how we interpret the meaning of the passage.
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Re: Christians: Does this embarrass you?

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[Replying to RBD in post #246]

How do you know it's Jesus?

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Re: Christians: Does this embarrass you?

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Avoice wrote: Sun Sep 28, 2025 6:05 am [Replying to RBD in post #246]

How do you know it's Jesus?
How do you know it's not?

If you want to move on from the accused contradiction in Gal 3, and now debate if the promised Christ is indeed by the one promised seed Isaac, and/or that Jesus is that promised Christ, then that's fine.

I believe Jesus is that promised Christ by Abraham's one promised son Isaac, because of the NT Scriptures showing how He fulfills all the prophesies of the LORD God's promised Christ, beginning with Gen 3:15.

1Pe 1:10
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Luk 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

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Re: Christians: Does this embarrass you?

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[Replying to RBD in post #264]

Other than Jesus behaving like the serpent what is in Genesis that has to do with Messiah?

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