islam is the only truth

[umair]

islam is the only and complete truth, and i would love to entertain any of your questions regarding islam.

[umair]

... we at no cost are allowed to force or convert people to islam.which i guess is a misconception.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/27/news/mideast.php
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Qur'an 8:59 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy." Qur'an 8:71 "He will give you mastery over them." Qur'an 8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam."

Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

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Gee -- I don't know why people would get the idea that Muslims use force or violence to convert (or keep) people to Islam...

:2gun: Islam is a religion of peace, after all.

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and yes probably you need more to think about :2gun:

[Fallibleone]

Is that your reasoned and well-considered response on the subject?

[muhammad rasullah]

... we at no cost are allowed to force or convert people to islam.which i guess is a misconception.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/27/news/mideast.php
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... F33AC1D274

Qur'an 8:59 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy." Qur'an 8:71 "He will give you mastery over them." Qur'an 8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam."

Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/islamP11.jpg

http://husaria.files.wordpress.com/2007 ... headed.jpg

http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1088415770.php




Gee -- I don't know why people would get the idea that Muslims use force or violence to convert (or keep) people to Islam...

:2gun: Islam is a religion of peace, after all.

No the misconception is with you and the way you try to string together parts of verses to make it seem like this is actually what the quran says. Even adding to the verse! these are what the verses say 8:59 Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them).

This is what you quoted the quran saying

Qur'an 8:59 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."

Again the misconception is with you as always not with the quran.

Quran 8:70-71 explanation
Let us look what Allah Almighty Said regarding the captives or the prisoners of wars:

"O Prophet! say to those who are captives in your hands: 'If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will Give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will Forgive you: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. But if they have treacherous designs against thee, (O Messenger!), they have already been in treason against Allah, and so hath He given (thee) power over them. And Allah is He who hath (Full) knowledge and wisdom. (The Noble Quran, 8:70-71)"

The following explanation of Noble Verses 8:70-71 was taken from the commentary of Sheikh (Minister) Abdullah Yusuf Ali's (may Allah Almighty rest his soul) English translation:

"This is a consolation to the prisoners of war. In spite of their previous hostility, Allah will forgive them in His mercy if there was any good in their hearts, and confer upon them a far higher gift than anything they have ever lost. This gift in its highest sense would be the blessing of Islam, but even in a material sense, there was great good fortune awaiting them, e.g., in the case of Al-Abbas (who was among the unbelievers and was taken as a prisoner of war).

Note how comprehensive is Allah's care. He encourages and strengthens the Muslims, at the same time condemning any baser motives that may have entered their minds. He consoles the prisoners of war and promises them better things if there is any good in them at all. And He offers comfort to those who have left their homes in His Cause, and knits them into closer fellowship with those who have helped them and sympathized with them.

If the kindness shown to them is abused by the prisoners of war when they are released, it is not a matter of discouragement to those who showed the kindness. Such persons have in their treachery shown already their treason to Allah, in that they took up arms against Allah's Prophet, and sought to blot out the pure worship of Allah. The punishment of defeat, which opened the eyes of some of their comrades, evidently did not open their eyes. But Allah knows all, and in His wisdom will order all things for the best. The Believers have done their duty in showing such clemency as they could in the circumstances of war. For them "Allah sufficeth" (Noble Verse 8:62)" [2].

Note: For the captives, paying money is not always the way to freedom. It is true that they would lose their weapons and other equipment such as their carts, horses, camels, etc..., but to gain their way out of captivity doesn't always have to be through paying money.

When the Muslims won the first battle of Islam against the Pagans, the battle Badr, our Prophet peace be upon him told his captives that whoever wants to earn his freedom he must teach 10 illiterate Muslims how to read and write, and he will then be set free.

The correct understanding of the quran is needed. something which you should try to do before you start critisizing!

[umair]

Is that your reasoned and well-considered response on the subject?

no , and i also feel bad in talking in this way , but perhaps this is the language which a few people understand.

remember you can never understand a religion , if you keep hating it in your heart.
and it is time that people should understand the truth of islam and try to understand it.

well as caroline describes islam to be catering negative thoughts, i would like her and all on this site to review these points:


islam promotes peace. at the same time islam exhorts its followers to fight where there is oppression. the fight at times may require the use of force. in islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

3)opinion of historian(de lacy o leary)-the best reply to the misconception that islam was spread by sword is given by the noted historian (De Lacy O Leary) in the book "islam at the cross roads"(page8)
"history makes it clear however that the legends of fanatical muslims sweeping through the world and forcing islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated"

4)muslims ruled spain for 800 years- muslims ruled spain for about 800 yrs. the muslim in spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. later the christian crusaders came to spain and wiped out the muslims. there was not a single muslim in spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5)14million arabs are coptic christians- muslims were the lords of arabia for 1400yrs . for a few years the british ruled, and for a fe years the french ruled. overall ,the muslims ruled arabia for 1400yrs. yet today there are 14million arabs who are coptic christians ie: christians since generations. if the muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single arab who would have remained christian.

6)more than 80% non muslims in india- the muslims ruled india for about a thousand years. if they wanted,they had the power of converting each and every non-muslim of india to islam. today 80% of the population of india are non-muslims. all these non-muslims indians are bearing witness that islam was not spread by the sword.

7)indonesia and malaysia- indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of muslims in the world. the majority of people in malaysia are muslims.may one ask,"which muslim army went to indonesia or malaysia?"

8)east coast of africa-similarly islam has spread on the east coast of africa. one may again ask, if islam was spread by sword,"which muslim army went to the east coast of africa?"

9) Thomas Carlyle-the famous historian , thomas carloyle , in his book"Heroes and Hero worship", refers to the misconception about the spread of islam."the swowd indeed, but where will you get the sword? every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one . in one mans head alone. there it dwells as yet. one man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men.that he takes a sword and try to propogate with that , will do little for him. you must get your sword! on the whole , a thing will propogate itself as it can."

10)no compulsion in religion- with which sword was islam spread ? even if the muslims had it they could not use it to spread islam because the quran says in the following verse: "LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION: TRUTH STANDS OUT CLEAR FROM THE ERROR"(al quran 2:256)

11)sword of the intellect- it is the sword of the intellect. the sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. the quran says in surah nahl, chapter 16 verse 125: "INVITE (ALL) TO THE WAY OF THY LORD WITH WISDOM AND BEAUTIFUL PREACHING; AND ARGUE WITH THEM IN WAYS THAT ARE BEST AND MOST GRACIOUS."

12)Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984-an article in the readers diegst 'ALMANAC' year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984 . this article also appeared in 'THE PLAIN TRUTH' magazine. at the top was islam, which increased by 235% , and christianity had incresed only by 47%. may one ask ,which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to islam?

13)islam is the fastest growing religion in america and europe- today the fastest growing religion in america is islam. which sword is forcing people in the west to accept islam in such large numbers?

14)Dr. joseph adam pearson- Dr joseph adam pearson rightly says,"people who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of arabs, fail to realize that the islamic bomb has already been dropped, it fell the day MUHAMMED(pbuh) was born"



please leave your logical comments , and plz do not paste those out of context verses from the quran for me to answer.

[Fallibleone]

Hi, muhammad rasullah. Your thread on which we were having our discussion about women has been moved to Random Ramblings, if you wondered. Have you got any comments to add? I've lloked into the article you posted and commented in depth.