The consistent events from Jesus' burial to His ascension

[RBD]

Here is the consistent timeline in order from the burial of Jesus, to His ascension 40 days later.

Many women from Galilee follow Joseph and Nicodemus to see Jesus laid in the tomb. Magdalen and the other Mary are specifically mentioned. (John 19) (Mark 15) Afterward that evening, some of the other women go home to prepare spices and ointments for Jesus' body. (Luke 23)

The next day on the high Sabbath, the chief priests go to Pilate for a guard on the tomb. (Matthew 27)

In the night, there's another earthquake, and an angel in appearance as lighting rolls away the stone, making the soldiers become as dead. (Matthew 28) Jesus either resurrects at this time, or any time during the night beforehand. At some time in the night, the guards awaken and depart the empty tomb, to report to the chief priests.

Magdalen comes later in the dark before dawn, and finds the tomb empty. She tells Peter and the other disciple, and they come running to see the tomb empty. They enter to see and depart. (John 20)

Magdalen remains behind and sees two angels in the tomb, and then Jesus Himself alive outside the tomb. She is the first person on earth to see Him after His resurrection. While still dark, she returns again to tell the disciples of His resurrection, and they don't believe it. (John 20) (Mark 16)

Magdalen, the other Mary, Salome, and the other women from Galilee, including Joanna, arrive at the tomb in the morning light. One group arrives with their prepared spices and ointments, while Magdalen's group arrives with bought sweet spices. They find the tomb empty. (Mark 16) (Luke 24)

Magdalen, the other Mary, and Salome are met by the angel that rolled away the stone, and are told to see in the tomb where the Lord had lain. Another angel sitting therein tell them to tell the disciples to go to Galilee to see Jesus. (Matthew 28) (Mark 16) The other women including Joanna enter the tomb and see no one, and while standing outside are met by two more angels, that send them also to the disciples to go to Galilee to meet Jesus. (Luke 24)

All the women depart and en route meet Jesus, and hold His feet in worship. He also sends them all to tell the disciples to meet Him in Galilee. They all then tell the disciples these things, and they don't believe it. (Matthew 28)

Peter runs to the tomb a second time and ponders these things. (Luke 24)

Jesus next appears to Cleopas and another disciple on the road to Emmaus, and later toward evening they recognize Him at table, and He vanishes from their sight. In that hour, they go to the eleven to tell them of Jesus' resurrection. They don't believe it. Luke 24) (Mark 16) Peter has now also seen the Lord Jesus. Paul reports that Jesus also appeared to James at some time.

At evening, Jesus now first appears to the disciples with the others in the their midst, and shows He is indeed resurrected bodily from the dead, and not only a spirit, by showing His hands and side, and eats some fish. Thomas is not with them. (Luke 24) (John 20)

8 days later, He appears to the eleven with Thomas as they sat at meat, and upbraids them for their unbelief, and also challenges Thomas to insert His fingers into his hands, and his hand into Jesus' side. (Mark 16) (John 20)

Afterward on another day, Peter goes a fishin' at the sea of Galilee with 6 other disciples, including Thomas, Nathanael, the sons of thunder, and 2 other disciples. For the third time after His resurrection, Jesus meets His disciples on the Galilee shore with food on a fire. They all know Him. (John 21)

Afterward on another day, all the disciples meet Jesus at the Galilee mount, that He had appointed them, and worshipped Him. Some doubted what to do. (Matthew 28)

On the 40th day after His resurrection, He leads all the disciples and many others to Bethany on Mt Olivet. (Luke 24) (Acts 1) There He gives His great commission with promise of the Holy Ghost, and ascends to heaven to be recieved up in a cloud. The disciples remain standing and looking upward for Jesus, until two angels come to remind them to go to Jerusalem, and wait for the promise of the Father.

These are a consistent order of events from the 4 gospels and Acts 1.

Paul confirms Peter saw the Lord first before the other apostles, on the evening of the first day of His resurrection, and that above 500 saw Him during the 40 days after. He was also seen by James after the evening of the first day, either before His second appearance to them on the 8th day, or afterward before the sea of Galilee for the third time.

[Avoice]

Mark is the oldest Gospel.
There is no resurrection in the book of Mark. His gospel ends at the tomb.
The church took it upon itself to add in a resurrection. Ah geez. Unbelievable!

[Difflugia]

There is no resurrection in the book of Mark.

There is a resurrection in Mark. He rose from the dead and went on to Galilee to meet the disciples (16:6-7). The disciples in Mark didn't go to Galilee to meet him, though, because the women were too afraid to tell them to (16:8).

[RBD]

Already showed to you how the record has only women arriving and interacting at the tomb in the morning.

THE MEN

The only record of men at the tomb is of Peter and John after Mary goes to tell them the tomb is empty, which is before she sees the Lord risen, and then goes back to tell them He is risen, and then returns with women in the early morning light.

It is possible that Peter did return alone to the tomb, or was enroute when he was the first apostle to see the Lord alive:

Luk 24:33
And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.

1Co 15:4
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

Otherwise, there are no men recorded at the tomb, other than the guards that left earlier, and also the angels, which are referred to as men when visiting in man's shape.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #1]

First of all, in death women don't attend to the bodies of men. And men don't attend to the bodies of women.
And once someone is buried or entombed no one brings spices. That is done before. It's so the body doesn't smell while still around the living.

The story doesn't even make sense.

Women NEVER attend to the the bodies of men. Never. Not Jews

A tradition of some Jewish sect, that is not in the law, is not followed by all the people of the law. And Jewish women not watching over, nor caring for dead bodies of Jewish men, must have been a very little sect in Jesus' time. Or, has become one later.

This is one of those ridiculous accusations of an elephant in the room, that only a few conspiracy theorists would conjure.

It would be a more realistic charge to say that by law, the women would defile themselves by touching the dead body of Jesus, since He was not a close relative. But, of course, the desire to do so was their love for Jesus as a close relative, which He Himself declared for all that keep His words:

Mar 3:33
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

[RBD]

Mark is the oldest Gospel.
There is no resurrection in the book of Mark. His gospel ends at the tomb.
The church took it upon itself to add in a resurrection. Ah geez. Unbelievable!

Of course, Jesus risen from the dead is witnessed in Mark However, even if His resurrection wasn't include in Mark's narrative of events, it would not discount the record of His resurrection in other gospels of Scripture. Since the Bible is a Book of separate complimentary narratives of several writers. Which is not only good for historical literature, but also for courts of law, where separate eyewitnesses fill in all the details of the same events.

But, it's not surprising that purpose accusers of Scripture would so easily disqualify themselves from any serious critique of any book, whether by ignorance or willful neglect of such standard literary and judicial devices. Afterall, there are also some erroneous believers, that do the same thing in matters of doctrine and prophecy.

For instance, Is 53 says nothing of the resurrection of the suffering Messiah, and yet the resurrection of the dead, as well as of His own dead body, is witnessed in other OT Scriptures of Daniel 12, Is 26, Ps 16. As well as of course in multitudes of NT Scripture, including that of the Messiah Himself:

Luk 24:7
Jesus Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

[RBD]

There is no resurrection in the book of Mark.

There is a resurrection in Mark. He rose from the dead and went on to Galilee to meet the disciples (16:6-7).

Correct.

The disciples in Mark didn't go to Galilee to meet him, though, because the women were too afraid to tell them to (16:8).

This is an interesting take, that would suggest that later, Jesus would wrongly upbraid His disciples for not believing them, and not meeting Him in Galilee.

Mar 16:14
Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

But, since Mary had already told the disciples of His resurrection, when she had first seen Him alive, then she would not be afraid to do so with others at her side:

Mar 16:8
And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

This does not necessarily mean they did not tell the disciples themselves, but that they did not tell anyone enroute from the tomb to the disciples. And of course, Luke says they did tell the eleven, who did not believe them, and so did not go to Galilee by unbelief:

Luk 24:9
And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.


And so Jesus justly rebuked their unbelief, and even mockery of eyewitnesses of His resurrection.

And so, once again the Bible is a Book of separate, but complimentary narratives, which must be taken that way, in order to know the full details surrounding the events. And so long as they do not contradict one another, then they can all be accepted and believed as true accounts. Of course, no one has to believe anyone's eyewitness, if they don't want to. However, they are not proven false by dismissing other accounts, that do compliment and confirm them...

[Difflugia]

That's an interesting take, that would suggest Jesus later upbraided His disciples for not believing them, and meeting Him in Galilee.

Mar 16:14
Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

Mark originally ended at 16:8. Verses 9-20 were added after Mark began to circulate alongside the other Gospels.

But, since Mary had already told the disciples of His resurrection, when she had first seen Him alive, then she would not be afraid to do so with others at her side:

That's fascinating speculation, but it's not supported by the text.

Mar 16:8
And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

This does not necessarily mean they did not tell the disciples themselves, but that they did not tell anyone enroute from the tomb to the disciples.

"Neither said they any thing to any man."

And of course, Luke says they did tell the eleven, and they did not believe them:

Luk 24:9
And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.

Luke isn't in Mark. By the time the author of Luke's Gospel wrote, the tradition had become that the disciples met Jesus in Jerusalem.

And so Jesus was just in rebuking their unbelief, and even mockery of eyewitnesses of His resurrection.

And so, once again the Bible is a Book of separate but complimentary narratives, which must be taken that way, in order to know the full details surrounding the events. And so long as they do not contradict one another, then they can all be accepted and believed as true accounts.

And with barely any harmonizing changes. Amen.

[RBD]

Luke isn't in Mark. By the time the author of Luke's Gospel wrote, the tradition had become that the disciples met Jesus in Jerusalem.

Already corrected isolating one narrative witness from other complimentary narrative witnesses. Historical, literary, and legal reviews reject it as tampering with the evidence and the witness

And nothing new in the rest of your stuff. So otherwise, this argument is over.

[Difflugia]

Luke isn't in Mark. By the time the author of Luke's Gospel wrote, the tradition had become that the disciples met Jesus in Jerusalem.

Already corrected isolating one narrative witness from other complimentary

I think you mean "complementary," though I'm sure the evangelists have very nice things to say about each other.

narrative witnesses. Historical, literary, and legal reviews reject it as tampering with the evidence and the witness

You can claim that all you want, but the Gospels contradict each other.

Mark 16:7 "But go, tell his disciples and Peter, he goes before you to Galilee. You will see him there, just as he told you."

Luke 24:13 "And behold, two of them were going that very day to a village named Emmaus, which was sixty stadia from Jerusalem."

Luke 24:33-34 "They arose that very hour, returned to Jerusalem. They found the eleven and those with them gathered together, saying, 'The Lord is indeed risen and has appeared to Simon.'"

Luke 24:36 "And as they said these things, he himself stood in between them and said to them, 'Peace to you.'"

So, did Jesus go to Galilee, as Mark's author claimed, or did he meet them at Emmaus and then Jerusalem as Luke's author claimed?

Mark 16:8 "They went out and fled from the tomb, because trembling and astonishment had come upon them. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid."

Luke 24:22 "Certain women of our company amazed us, having been early at the tomb. When they didn't find his body, they came, saying that they had also seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive."

Did they flee from the tomb and say nothing to anyone as Mark's author claimed, or did they tell the disciples that they saw and spoke with angels as Luke's author claimed?

Or was it both? Like one sermon at the top of a mountain and another at the bottom? Or like Judas both hanging to death and exploding to death?

And nothing new in the rest of your stuff. So otherwise, this argument is over.

That's right. Everything in my stuff is two thousand years old. It's the inerrancy apologetic arguments that are relatively new, but those arguments were over before they even began.

[POI]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #239]

Some interlocutors are not here for honest debate. The continuous handwaving tells the tale, as another recent example demonstrates --- posts 130 and 136 of this thread -- (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42449&start=130).

Let these responses be even more evidence to demonstrate that such Christian apologists are not really here to explore what is actually true, as we know the Gospels do conflict. Which drives the next fundamental question... What are some of the real objective(s) here for attending this forum arena, since they do not want to actually address the asserted consistency claims of Bible scripture; in which they come here to assert?