islam is the only truth

[umair]

islam is the only and complete truth, and i would love to entertain any of your questions regarding islam.

[HughDP]

islam is the only and complete truth, and i would love to entertain any of your questions regarding islam.

Greetings Umair,

I have a question for you:

What do you think is the best way to integrate Islam into a world of ever increasing globalisation?

You see, I think all religion is man-made nonsense and obviously you would not. Now that's fine as far as I'm concerned so long as you don't force your religion on me and I don't force my atheism on you.

However, in a theocracy I would obviously find it very difficult to avoid religion intruding into my life, whereas in a secular state both the religious and the atheists can be accommodated. However, there are many who feel that their faith demands a theocracy (not just Muslims, but other religious practitioners too) and that it's the only viable form of government for the devout.

Is the only answer a separation of the people into countries for those that want theocracy and those that don't? Or could Islam be truly happy existing within a secular state forever more?

[Smorb]

so we muslims respect the prophets sayings and hence stay away from making any of his images or idols.

OK, so if Muslims are so convinced of their superiority, why do they scare like insects with the lights on when a non-Muslim draws a cartoon of Muhammad? If its prohibited for a Muslim to draw a cartoon of Muhammad, why do you care if an atheist or a catholic do it? They are obviously not a Muslim.

Can you picture a world where a Scientist threatens to slaughter you and your family publicly because you drew a cartoon depicting a black hole or a joke about evolution? how about if a Muslim names a teddy bear "Darwin" if we hold Darwin in high regard, should we not react the same way?

[umair]

Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammad historically had reproductive traumas as children. Now we know that nerve trauma to the reproductive parts as infants can sometimes lead to paranoid dellusions with audio and visual hallucinations beginning after pubery. How do you know that the voices in these mens heads were not their own brains inner voices dealing with PTSD trying to cure or justify or prevent there traumatic event?

well , hello fred,

do you really believe in such theories.

read the quran and you will understand the fact.

[umair]

Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammad historically had reproductive traumas as children. Now we know that nerve trauma to the reproductive parts as infants can sometimes lead to paranoid dellusions with audio and visual hallucinations beginning after pubery. How do you know that the voices in these mens heads were not their own brains inner voices dealing with PTSD trying to cure or justify or prevent there traumatic event?

well , hello fred,

do you really believe in such theories.

read the quran and you will understand the truth.

[umair]

achilles
Ok so you want us to start completely over and you want me to take the entire burden of proof over again?

LOL

How about you address posts 206-210 first.

You made the claim that the universe was begun by the splitting of the primary nebula (the big bang).

I showed that there is no indication at all the this was the process of the big bang and that there was no nebula at all.

How about you marry this with the Koran first and then we can move on?



I will make it simple for you.

Question: Does the Koran state that the big bang occurred from the "smoke" of a "primary nebula"?

well why dont you make it clear that allah says in the quran , that
“Do not the Unbelievers see
that the heavens and the earth
were joined together (as one
unit of Creation), before
We clove them asunder?”
[Al-Qu’ran 21:30

ie: whether it be a singularity
or a nebula, both can be disintegrated.

then further he adds that he ordered for the formation of the earth and the sky:
“Moreover, He Comprehended
in His design the sky,
and it had been (as) smoke:
He said to it and to the earth:
‘Come ye together,
willingly or unwillingly.’
They said: ‘We do come (together),
in willing obedience.’”
[Al-Qur’an 41:11]


and then there are even further explanations regarding the red shift ie : the expansion of the universe as:
“With power and skill
did We construct
the Firmament:
For it is We Who create
the vastness of Space.”
[Al-Qur’an 51:47]
The Arabic word
musioon
is correctly translated as
‘expanding it’, and it refers to the creation of the
expanding vastness of the universe.

[umair]

islam is the only and complete truth, and i would love to entertain any of your questions regarding islam.

Greetings Umair,

I have a question for you:

What do you think is the best way to integrate Islam into a world of ever increasing globalisation?

You see, I think all religion is man-made nonsense and obviously you would not. Now that's fine as far as I'm concerned so long as you don't force your religion on me and I don't force my atheism on you.

However, in a theocracy I would obviously find it very difficult to avoid religion intruding into my life, whereas in a secular state both the religious and the atheists can be accommodated. However, there are many who feel that their faith demands a theocracy (not just Muslims, but other religious practitioners too) and that it's the only viable form of government for the devout.

Is the only answer a separation of the people into countries for those that want theocracy and those that don't? Or could Islam be truly happy existing within a secular state forever more?

my dear friend , your question is valid as far as the sense of it goes.

but have you ever analysed that it is not the athiest but the muslims who are fighting for their rights now.

islam has given each muslim the duty to preach about their religion , and leave the rest on allah, ie: our duty with any non muslim is over when we have given him sufficient understanding of islam if he desires for such, and the rest is left with allah. so we at no cost are allowed to force or convert people to islam.which i guess is a misconception.

but yes their are some eticates of a muslim society , that are neccesary to be followed by the muslims, so i guess that muslims do not have any problem in living in a secular state(as the majority is living in secular countries)
as long as their access to their personal religion is not nullified.

[umair]

so we muslims respect the prophets sayings and hence stay away from making any of his images or idols.

OK, so if Muslims are so convinced of their superiority, why do they scare like insects with the lights on when a non-Muslim draws a cartoon of Muhammad? If its prohibited for a Muslim to draw a cartoon of Muhammad, why do you care if an atheist or a catholic do it? They are obviously not a Muslim.

Can you picture a world where a Scientist threatens to slaughter you and your family publicly because you drew a cartoon depicting a black hole or a joke about evolution? how about if a Muslim names a teddy bear "Darwin" if we hold Darwin in high regard, should we not react the same way?

well the answer to this is issue is more logical than theoritical.

you and your brothers all love your father , and will never call him with any bad name.
but then how will you feel if some one else does.

[HughDP]

Thank you for your replies umair.

my dear friend , your question is valid as far as the sense of it goes.

but have you ever analysed that it is not the athiest but the muslims who are fighting for their rights now.

I am not sure which countries you are referring to. I feel that here in the UK Muslims are generally extremely well tolerated (and, strictly speaking, the UK isn't even secular at the constitutional level).

islam has given each muslim the duty to preach about their religion , and leave the rest on allah, ie: our duty with any non muslim is over when we have given him sufficient understanding of islam if he desires for such, and the rest is left with allah. so we at no cost are allowed to force or convert people to islam.which i guess is a misconception.

but yes their are some eticates of a muslim society , that are neccesary to be followed by the muslims, so i guess that muslims do not have any problem in living in a secular state(as the majority is living in secular countries)
as long as their access to their personal religion is not nullified.

Assuming you are typical of the majority of Muslims, it is good to hear that most Muslims feel they can live peacefully within a secular society, without the religion of Islam imposing on those who do not want it.

It is a shame that a small number of Muslims sully the religion by demanding the death of anti-Islamic authors and uncomplimentary cartoonists. Unfortunately this is all that many people ever remember about Islam.

[Smorb]

so we muslims respect the prophets sayings and hence stay away from making any of his images or idols.

OK, so if Muslims are so convinced of their superiority, why do they scare like insects with the lights on when a non-Muslim draws a cartoon of Muhammad? If its prohibited for a Muslim to draw a cartoon of Muhammad, why do you care if an atheist or a catholic do it? They are obviously not a Muslim.

Can you picture a world where a Scientist threatens to slaughter you and your family publicly because you drew a cartoon depicting a black hole or a joke about evolution? how about if a Muslim names a teddy bear "Darwin" if we hold Darwin in high regard, should we not react the same way?

well the answer to this is issue is more logical than theoritical.

you and your brothers all love your father , and will never call him with any bad name.
but then how will you feel if some one else does.

Nice analogy, but in no regard, would any depiction of my father made by another in a cartoon make me threaten that persons life, nor would an elementary school teacher naming a Teddy Bear after my fathers name enrage me in any way.

No scholar has ever rationally and logically deconstructed my father as has done with Muhammad, but if they did, I certainly wouldn't be offended. If my father was righteous and perfect, I would not care what these people said, they would not affect my tranquility.

What is different about Islam that they fear any criticism about their faith and in particular about Muhammad?

And what of former Muslims who speak out about their religion? What about strong and courageous people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who escaped the binds of arranged marriage and denounced Islam for what it is. Now she lives in constant fear for her life under armed guard never to live a normal life because some of the Muslim world is so fanatical as to make attempts on her life for speaking her truth and not theirs. Doesn't seem very nice to me. Christians and Jews certainly wouldn't put her in that position if she had left their faith and criticized it, what makes Islam different?

[Smorb]

It is a shame that a small number of Muslims sully the religion by demanding the death of anti-Islamic authors and uncomplimentary cartoonists. Unfortunately this is all that many people ever remember about Islam.

Unfortunately it is not a "small" number of people who support these ideals. 70% of Muslim schoolchildren in Britain (not Saudia Arabia, but Britain) felt that harming another was justified in defense of their faith.

70%. not 7%, not 1%.. 70%.

there are countless similar studies you can look up on the internet. I'll post the link to the website I found this statistic so you can verify when I get home, I'm at work and don't remember where it was, but its on bookmark at home.