I am currently residing at Port Macquarie, NSW, Australia.
Having been brought up to consider myself as a christian, I found that what had been explained to me from the bible did not make any logical sense. I discussed issues from the bible with a friend at school that was looking to become a priest within the catholic church. As well as from other discussions about the christian religion, I realised that many of the beliefs purported to be teachings within the bible were actually contradictory.
For instance, Jesus is supposed to be the 'Prince of Peace', yet this quote shows otherwise .....
Luke 19:27 - [Jesus speaking]
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
So, here I am, willing to discuss and debate the inconsistencies and contradictions of the christian religion.
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Modern sciences regard the Earth as being about ten times that old. Are you proposing a different theory?I AM ALL I AM wrote:Considering that the earth has been here for 500 million years or so,
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G'day Zzyzx.
The way that science keeps changing it's theories I thought that I'd add the "or so" to cover my bases.
After all though it is only a "theory", so 4.5 billion years or more should be covered by the "or so".
The way that science keeps changing it's theories I thought that I'd add the "or so" to cover my bases.

After all though it is only a "theory", so 4.5 billion years or more should be covered by the "or so".

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Do you know what the difference between a scientific theory and how the term 'theory' is used by the layman. Do you understand that the estimate of the age of the earth has not changed substantially in decades?I AM ALL I AM wrote:G'day Zzyzx.
The way that science keeps changing it's theories I thought that I'd add the "or so" to cover my bases.![]()
After all though it is only a "theory", so 4.5 billion years or more should be covered by the "or so".![]()
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Have you studied science beyond introductory level? Are you aware of changes in estimates of Earth age that have proposed during the past two or three decades and do you understand the evidence upon which those estimates are based?I AM ALL I AM wrote:The way that science keeps changing it's theories I thought that I'd add the "or so" to cover my bases.
Sure, half a billion may be "close enough" to four and a half billion to be considered accurate in theology. However, that level of accuracy does not earn much credibility or respect in reasoned debate – and certainly not among people who seriously study nature and the Earth.I AM ALL I AM wrote:After all though it is only a "theory", so 4.5 billion years or more should be covered by the "or so".
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The Lost Tools of Learning
Dorothy Sayers
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My views about child psychology are, I admit, neither orthodox nor enlightened. Looking back upon myself (since I am the child I know best and the only child I can pretend to know from inside) I recognize three states of development. These, in a rough-and- ready fashion, I will call the Poll-Parrot, the Pert, and the Poetic--the latter coinciding, approximately, with the onset of puberty. The Poll-Parrot stage is the one in which learning by heart is easy and, on the whole, pleasurable; whereas reasoning is difficult and, on the whole, little relished. At this age, one readily memorizes the shapes and appearances of things; one likes to recite the number-plates of cars; one rejoices in the chanting of rhymes and the rumble and thunder of unintelligible polysyllables; one enjoys the mere accumulation of things. The Pert age, which follows upon this (and, naturally, overlaps it to some extent), is characterized by contradicting, answering back, liking to "catch people out" (especially one's elders); and by the propounding of conundrums. Its nuisance-value is extremely high. It usually sets in about the Fourth Form. The Poetic age is popularly known as the "difficult" age. It is self-centered; it yearns to express itself; it rather specializes in being misunderstood; it is restless and tries to achieve independence; and, with good luck and good guidance, it should show the beginnings of creativeness; a reaching out towards a synthesis of what it already knows, and a deliberate eagerness to know and do some one thing in preference to all others. Now it seems to me that the layout of the Trivium adapts itself with a singular appropriateness to these three ages: Grammar to the Poll-Parrot, Dialectic to the Pert, and Rhetoric to the Poetic age.
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http://www.gbt.org/text/sayers.html
According to Plato's system of higher education, which is outlined in both the Republic [VII, 527-531] and the Laws [VII, 817-822], the first academic curriculum consisted of a progressive training in four mathematical sciences, Arithmetic, Geometry, Cosmology (or Astronomy) and Music (or Harmonics). Plato's formal 'encyclopaedia' of the Pythagorean mathemata or disciplines of number was later known as the Quadrivium (or 'Four Ways'). During the Hellenistic period, these intellectually 'cleansing' studies came to be prefaced by the Trivium (or 'Three Ways') of the Verbal Arts -- Grammar, Rhetoric and Dialectic (or Logic) -- thus completing the educational system of the Seven Liberal Arts (the enkyklios paideia, later called the Studium Generale). Vitruvius repeatedly alludes to this complete system of general education which, for some Romans at least, appears to have become an academic preliminary to training in architecture and other liberal professions (particulary medicine and, presumably, law).
http://www.emis.de/journals/NNJ/Pont-v7n1.html
In his classic tome, Republic, the mathematical sciences (arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and harmonics) formed the foundation of Plato’s curriculum.
http://people.exeter.ac.uk/PErnest/pome ... _plato.htm


Opening the Windows of the Flower of Life
To open a window into the realm of the Flower of Life symbol, we need a starting point. This starting point will uncover one of many possible entrances to the esoteric world within this symbol. Let us begin by using a Cascading Circular Template to reveal the hidden geometry within the Flower of Life symbol.
The Cascading Circular Template is one of the most commonly used templates. It is the basis for additional templates that take the seeker even deeper into the esoteric meaning of the Flower of Life. The Cascading Circular Template can be created by the use of a compass with an attached pencil. Use the same size diameter for all of the circles. Begin by using your compass and drawing one circle with approximately a two-inch diameter. See figure below

Please note that each line, angle, or circle has a wealth of knowledge associated with it. Sacred geometry relates to proportions and relationships. It is not just arbitrary lines on a page.
Once you have drawn the first circle, mark a dot at any point on the circle. Center your compass on that point and draw another complete circle. See figure below

The proportion created by these intersecting two circles is called a Vesica Pisces. This is one of the simplest sacred geometry forms. It has been depicted around the world at sacred sites, most notably at the Chalice Well in Glastonbury, England.
Find a point at which the second circle crossed over the first circle and place your compass there to create a third circle. (It doesn't matter if you choose the upper or lower point). In our case we will use the upper crossing point. See figure below

Create the fourth circle in the same manner as the previous circles at the newest crossing point. See figure below

Continue on by creating the fifth, sixth and finally the seventh circle. See figures below
Upon completing the 7th circle, you will be at the Seed of Life stage or the Genesis Pattern. This stage creates a tube torus. See figure below



To unfold more of the template we must continue on to the next stage.
The Egg of Life Stage
To continue on to the next stage in the development of the Flower of Life symbol called the "Egg of Life," place your compass point upon the outer crossing points of the circles and draw the same size circle at each of the six places. See figure below

The Fruit of Life Stage/The Third Rotation
Continuing to the next stage in the development of the Flower of Life symbol, place your compass point upon the outer crossing points of the outer circles and draw the same size circle at each of these six places. See figure below

To get to the "Fruit of Life" pattern, draw one more set of outer circles at the outer circle crossing points and complete the incomplete circles. See figure below
At this stage, a new template emerges. This template is called the Fruit of Life stage. The Fruit of Life stage is crucial for mapping out the set of patterns associated with Metatron's Cube. See figures below

"Metatron's Cube" is a template that delineates the Platonic Solids. The Platonic Solids are five structures that are crucial because they are the building blocks of organic life. These five structures are found in minerals, animated and organic life forms, sound, music, language, etc.

ICOSAHEDRON

DODECAHEDRON

OCTAHEDRON

CUBE

TETRAHEDRON

BREAK THE RULES
FIND YOUR GROOVE,
LEARN TO IMPROVE,
LIVE THE WAY,
THAT YOU SAY.
BREAK THE RULES,
TO BE YOURSELF,
THERE AREN'T ANY SCHOOLS,
TO BE YOURSELF.
DO WHAT YOU FEEL,
LIVE YOUR IDEAL,
LIFE IS A NOTION,
LOVE IS THE POTION.
BREAK THE RULES,
TO BE YOURSELF,
YOU'VE GOT THE TOOLS,
TO BE YOURSELF.
Dorothy Sayers
..........
My views about child psychology are, I admit, neither orthodox nor enlightened. Looking back upon myself (since I am the child I know best and the only child I can pretend to know from inside) I recognize three states of development. These, in a rough-and- ready fashion, I will call the Poll-Parrot, the Pert, and the Poetic--the latter coinciding, approximately, with the onset of puberty. The Poll-Parrot stage is the one in which learning by heart is easy and, on the whole, pleasurable; whereas reasoning is difficult and, on the whole, little relished. At this age, one readily memorizes the shapes and appearances of things; one likes to recite the number-plates of cars; one rejoices in the chanting of rhymes and the rumble and thunder of unintelligible polysyllables; one enjoys the mere accumulation of things. The Pert age, which follows upon this (and, naturally, overlaps it to some extent), is characterized by contradicting, answering back, liking to "catch people out" (especially one's elders); and by the propounding of conundrums. Its nuisance-value is extremely high. It usually sets in about the Fourth Form. The Poetic age is popularly known as the "difficult" age. It is self-centered; it yearns to express itself; it rather specializes in being misunderstood; it is restless and tries to achieve independence; and, with good luck and good guidance, it should show the beginnings of creativeness; a reaching out towards a synthesis of what it already knows, and a deliberate eagerness to know and do some one thing in preference to all others. Now it seems to me that the layout of the Trivium adapts itself with a singular appropriateness to these three ages: Grammar to the Poll-Parrot, Dialectic to the Pert, and Rhetoric to the Poetic age.
..........
http://www.gbt.org/text/sayers.html
According to Plato's system of higher education, which is outlined in both the Republic [VII, 527-531] and the Laws [VII, 817-822], the first academic curriculum consisted of a progressive training in four mathematical sciences, Arithmetic, Geometry, Cosmology (or Astronomy) and Music (or Harmonics). Plato's formal 'encyclopaedia' of the Pythagorean mathemata or disciplines of number was later known as the Quadrivium (or 'Four Ways'). During the Hellenistic period, these intellectually 'cleansing' studies came to be prefaced by the Trivium (or 'Three Ways') of the Verbal Arts -- Grammar, Rhetoric and Dialectic (or Logic) -- thus completing the educational system of the Seven Liberal Arts (the enkyklios paideia, later called the Studium Generale). Vitruvius repeatedly alludes to this complete system of general education which, for some Romans at least, appears to have become an academic preliminary to training in architecture and other liberal professions (particulary medicine and, presumably, law).
http://www.emis.de/journals/NNJ/Pont-v7n1.html
In his classic tome, Republic, the mathematical sciences (arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and harmonics) formed the foundation of Plato’s curriculum.
http://people.exeter.ac.uk/PErnest/pome ... _plato.htm


Opening the Windows of the Flower of Life
To open a window into the realm of the Flower of Life symbol, we need a starting point. This starting point will uncover one of many possible entrances to the esoteric world within this symbol. Let us begin by using a Cascading Circular Template to reveal the hidden geometry within the Flower of Life symbol.
The Cascading Circular Template is one of the most commonly used templates. It is the basis for additional templates that take the seeker even deeper into the esoteric meaning of the Flower of Life. The Cascading Circular Template can be created by the use of a compass with an attached pencil. Use the same size diameter for all of the circles. Begin by using your compass and drawing one circle with approximately a two-inch diameter. See figure below

Please note that each line, angle, or circle has a wealth of knowledge associated with it. Sacred geometry relates to proportions and relationships. It is not just arbitrary lines on a page.
Once you have drawn the first circle, mark a dot at any point on the circle. Center your compass on that point and draw another complete circle. See figure below

The proportion created by these intersecting two circles is called a Vesica Pisces. This is one of the simplest sacred geometry forms. It has been depicted around the world at sacred sites, most notably at the Chalice Well in Glastonbury, England.
Find a point at which the second circle crossed over the first circle and place your compass there to create a third circle. (It doesn't matter if you choose the upper or lower point). In our case we will use the upper crossing point. See figure below

Create the fourth circle in the same manner as the previous circles at the newest crossing point. See figure below

Continue on by creating the fifth, sixth and finally the seventh circle. See figures below

Upon completing the 7th circle, you will be at the Seed of Life stage or the Genesis Pattern. This stage creates a tube torus. See figure below



To unfold more of the template we must continue on to the next stage.
The Egg of Life Stage
To continue on to the next stage in the development of the Flower of Life symbol called the "Egg of Life," place your compass point upon the outer crossing points of the circles and draw the same size circle at each of the six places. See figure below

The Fruit of Life Stage/The Third Rotation
Continuing to the next stage in the development of the Flower of Life symbol, place your compass point upon the outer crossing points of the outer circles and draw the same size circle at each of these six places. See figure below

To get to the "Fruit of Life" pattern, draw one more set of outer circles at the outer circle crossing points and complete the incomplete circles. See figure below

At this stage, a new template emerges. This template is called the Fruit of Life stage. The Fruit of Life stage is crucial for mapping out the set of patterns associated with Metatron's Cube. See figures below

"Metatron's Cube" is a template that delineates the Platonic Solids. The Platonic Solids are five structures that are crucial because they are the building blocks of organic life. These five structures are found in minerals, animated and organic life forms, sound, music, language, etc.

ICOSAHEDRON

DODECAHEDRON

OCTAHEDRON

CUBE

TETRAHEDRON

BREAK THE RULES
FIND YOUR GROOVE,
LEARN TO IMPROVE,
LIVE THE WAY,
THAT YOU SAY.
BREAK THE RULES,
TO BE YOURSELF,
THERE AREN'T ANY SCHOOLS,
TO BE YOURSELF.
DO WHAT YOU FEEL,
LIVE YOUR IDEAL,
LIFE IS A NOTION,
LOVE IS THE POTION.
BREAK THE RULES,
TO BE YOURSELF,
YOU'VE GOT THE TOOLS,
TO BE YOURSELF.