Question for debate: Which rights of Christians are being threatened in western democracies?Biker wrote:Also, just so long you don't impose your unbelief on my religious rights!
And I do have religious rights!
And I am quite able to defend them!
Are Christian rights threatened by secularism?
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Are Christian rights threatened by secularism?
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I will admit that sometimes people in government react a bit odd when it comes to requests that the government does not promote one religion over another. For example, one rabbi wanted a Hanuka acknowledgment (a menorah) where a city was displaying a nativity. He complained he was not allowed to put it there, and what did the city do, but tear down the navitity scene too, and blamed it on the Rabbi.Cephus wrote:There's a difference between what would actually be a right and what Christians wish they had rights to do. There is no right to have slaves in the United States, therefore anyone of any religion who claims that they do have such rights are just wrong. Same as Christians who think they deserve special treatment because of their religion while denying those rights to other religious groups. Most of the so-called "Christian rights" I've seen are just wishful thinking in the first place and don't really exist.Furrowed Brow wrote:Yes. But the OP was asking whether Christians rights are threatened by Western democracy. My value judgment is yes the world is better off without the gender and slave ideology of old testament Christianity. But that is not the OP.
Now, a sensible person would have said 'ok. we can put a menorah up there too'. That way, all religions can be treated equally. I bet they were worried about needing to put up a Kwanzaa symbol and some Hindu and Buddhist stuff too.
Or, they just didn't want any non-Christian symbols up, and if it meant tearing down the nativity scene, so be it , since they had a scape goat.
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They never should have used the Rabbi as a scapegoat, but they never should have had the nativity scene in the first place unless they were willing at the outset to put up any religious symbolism that may have come along afterwards. Unfortunately, you find this kind of thing all the time, Christians (primarily anyhow) who will take down their own displays in order to stop anyone else from putting them up, then complaining a lot about it and acting put out by it.goat wrote:I will admit that sometimes people in government react a bit odd when it comes to requests that the government does not promote one religion over another. For example, one rabbi wanted a Hanuka acknowledgment (a menorah) where a city was displaying a nativity. He complained he was not allowed to put it there, and what did the city do, but tear down the navitity scene too, and blamed it on the Rabbi.
It's just hypocrisy, plain and simple.

