Which is greater - God, Jesus or The Holy Ghost?

[William]

Which is greater - God, Jesus or The Holy Ghost? Can anyone answer that honestly, with supporting evidence?

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #19]

So one could state that "God is Spirit - which is neither male nor female per so... BUT God does have both male and female in Her"?

I would not call my Father, 'her'.

Christ said "Father", and He is the Son, and so that is what I will also do.

Peace again to you.

[William]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #19]

So one could state that "God is Spirit - which is neither male nor female per so... BUT God does have both male and female in Her"?

I would not call my Father, 'her'.

Christ said "Father", and He is the Son, and so that is what I will also do.

Peace again to you.

Even that you would not, my question isn't about that. It can be done and there would be nothing directly incorrect about doing so, right?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #19]

So one could state that "God is Spirit - which is neither male nor female per so... BUT God does have both male and female in Her"?

I would not call my Father, 'her'.

Christ said "Father", and He is the Son, and so that is what I will also do.

Peace again to you.

Even that you would not, my question isn't about that. It can be done and there would be nothing directly incorrect about doing so, right?

Christ did not teach it.

He did, however, teach us to call God "Father."

And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.


Just because there is male and female in God (though God is neither male nor female, but rather Spirit) doesn't mean that God is correctly called 'her.'

I'm just going to stick to following Christ's example and doing as He said to do.


May I ask why you are asking?


Peace again.

[William]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #19]

So one could state that "God is Spirit - which is neither male nor female per so... BUT God does have both male and female in Her"?

Okay so you are following Bible protocol.

I would not call my Father, 'her'.

Even though as you pointed out, God is niether/both. So your reason for not calling your God "Mother" is because

Christ said "Father", and He is the Son, and so that is what I will also do.

Peace again to you.

Even that you would not, my question isn't about that. It can be done and there would be nothing directly incorrect about doing so, right?

Christ did not teach it.

He did, however, teach us to call God "Father."

And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

So you are simply following what the Bible say's...and I suppose if the Bible had said "do not call anyone on earth ‘mother,’ for you have one Mather, and She is in heaven.", you would follow that line of thinking?

Just because there is male and female in God (though God is neither male nor female, but rather Spirit) doesn't mean that God is correctly called 'her.'

Yet one can clearly argue that to avoid any double standard then, "Just because there is male and female in God (though God is neither male nor female, but rather Spirit) doesn't mean that God is correctly called 'him.' ".
AS you argue, you only do so because it is in the bible that way. But as you also point out, it is in the bible that we find that "Spirit" in not actually either., so no actual blasphemy goes on if one prefers to see the "Father" as also "The Mother"...would you agree, and if not, why not?

I'm just going to stick to following Christ's example and doing as He said to do.

As per what Christ in the bible tells it.

May I ask why you are asking?

I am interested in the whole hierarchy thing and also was accused of being bias toward the famine aspect of GOD, when I pointed out that the bible was largely written by men who themselves were highly influenced by patriarchal world views.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you,



Okay so you are following Bible protocol.



Even though as you pointed out, God is niether/both. So your reason for not calling your God "Mother" is because

Christ said "Father", and He is the Son, and so that is what I will also do.

Peace again to you.

Even that you would not, my question isn't about that. It can be done and there would be nothing directly incorrect about doing so, right?

Christ did not teach it.

He did, however, teach us to call God "Father."

And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

So you are simply following what the Bible say's...

No, I am following what Christ says (and does).

and I suppose if the Bible had said "do not call anyone on earth ‘mother,’ for you have one Mather, and She is in heaven.", you would follow that line of thinking?

If Christ had said it, yes. But He did not.

Just because there is male and female in God (though God is neither male nor female, but rather Spirit) doesn't mean that God is correctly called 'her.'

Yet one can clearly argue that to avoid any double standard then, "Just because there is male and female in God (though God is neither male nor female, but rather Spirit) doesn't mean that God is correctly called 'him.' ".
AS you argue, you only do so because it is in the bible that way.

Because that is what Christ says and does.

But as you also point out, it is in the bible that we find that "Spirit" in not actually either., so no actual blasphemy goes on if one prefers to see the "Father" as also "The Mother"...would you agree, and if not, why not?

I don't really use the word blasphemy, and I don't know what other people mean by it when they use it.

I don't act based on what I prefer... so I don't really have a comment on other people acting as they prefer. But just because someone has aspects of the feminine in them, does not make them female.

So I can't say it is 'correct' to say 'her', especially not when Christ said Father and Him.

I'm not judging, I just can't say that it is correct. In a conversation where someone was saying 'her', I would probably just ignore that instead of making an issue out of it.

I'm just going to stick to following Christ's example and doing as He said to do.

As per what Christ in the bible tells it.

Regardless of where those words are recorded.

May I ask why you are asking?

I am interested in the whole hierarchy thing and also was accused of being bias toward the famine aspect of GOD, when I pointed out that the bible was largely written by men who themselves were highly influenced by patriarchal world views.

So would you be using 'her' or 'mother' to make a point about patriarchy?

Peace again.

[William]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you,



Okay so you are following Bible protocol.



Even though as you pointed out, God is niether/both. So your reason for not calling your God "Mother" is because

Christ said "Father", and He is the Son, and so that is what I will also do.

Peace again to you.

Even that you would not, my question isn't about that. It can be done and there would be nothing directly incorrect about doing so, right?

Christ did not teach it.

He did, however, teach us to call God "Father."

And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

So you are simply following what the Bible say's...

No, I am following what Christ says (and does).

Okay, so you should be able to tell us then what other record there is outside of the Bible . Otherwise, yes. You are indeed simply following what the Bible says Christ says and does.

and I suppose if the Bible had said "do not call anyone on earth ‘mother,’ for you have one Mather, and She is in heaven.", you would follow that line of thinking?

If Christ had said it, yes. But He did not.

How do you know? Is it because of what the Bible says Christ says and does.

Just because there is male and female in God (though God is neither male nor female, but rather Spirit) doesn't mean that God is correctly called 'her.'

Yet one can clearly argue that to avoid any double standard then, "Just because there is male and female in God (though God is neither male nor female, but rather Spirit) doesn't mean that God is correctly called 'him.' ".
AS you argue, you only do so because it is in the bible that way.

Because that is what Christ says and does.

Is it because of what the Bible says Christ says and does.

But as you also point out, it is in the bible that we find that "Spirit" is not actually either., so no actual blasphemy goes on if one prefers to see the "Father" as also "The Mother"...would you agree, and if not, why not?

I don't really use the word blasphemy, and I don't know what other people mean by it when they use it.

Really? So what about this then?
Matthew 12:31 - 12:32
Christ: Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

and
Mark 3:28-30.
Christ: Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

I don't act based on what I prefer... so I don't really have a comment on other people acting as they prefer. But just because someone has aspects of the feminine in them, does not make them female.

Of course, and as I have been pointing out, just because someone has aspects of the masculine in them, does not make them male. Do you not understand and agree with this?

So I can't say it is 'correct' to say 'her',...

Nor can you say it is incorrect, right?

especially not when Christ said Father and Him.

You mean the Christ of the bible, right?

I'm not judging, I just can't say that it is correct. In a conversation where someone was saying 'her', I would probably just ignore that instead of making an issue out of it.

Yet here you are specifically NOT ignoring it.

I'm just going to stick to following Christ's example and doing as He said to do.

As per what Christ in the bible tells it.

Regardless of where those words are recorded.

Are you claiming that if the Bible did not say anything about Christ and what Christ said, you would still hear Christ telling you God is his Father? Would you never hear Christ tell you that God is also his Mother? Or indeed that Christ can also be feminine?

May I ask why you are asking?

I am interested in the whole hierarchy thing and also was accused of being bias toward the famine aspect of GOD, when I pointed out that the bible was largely written by men who themselves were highly influenced by patriarchal world views.

So would you be using 'her' or 'mother' to make a point about patriarchy?

Given what I have already shared about that, I don't understand why you are even asking that question.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to William in post #26]

Yet here you are specifically NOT ignoring it.

Only because you are specifically asking me about it.

So would you be using 'her' or 'mother' to make a point about patriarchy?

Given what I have already shared about that, I don't understand why you are even asking that question.

I'm asking because I don't know.

(as for blaspheme, I didn't say that the word isn't used or that Christ didn't use the word, I just said that I don't really use the word, and I don't know what other people mean when THEY use the word)


Peace again to you.

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #27]

I see you skirted around some of my questions re observations about Bible Christ and your denial that you get your information from that source.

[1213]

1213 did answer the question by quoting Christ who says who is greater. I can't answer any better than that.

Thank you!

You asked a couple other questions though, so maybe I can share something to help with those.

And where then is The Holy Ghost situated in this hierarchy?

It depends on what you mean when you say "Holy Ghost" (or Holy Spirit.) ...

I think that is a good point. God is Spirit and He could be called Holy. Jesus also can be called spirit and holy. According to the Bible, God has many Spirits.

And I saw, and behold, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, was a Lamb standing, as having been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, having been sent out into all the earth.
Rev. 5:6

But, I think there is one specific that is called the Holy Spirit, the councilor, the Spirit of Truth. And because he is something Jesus calls another, I think he is then not Jesus.

I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor,{Greek Parakleton: Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, and Comfortor.} that he may be with you forever,-- the Spirit of truth, whom the world can't receive; for it doesn't see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.
John 14:16-17
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you.
John 14:26
When the Counselor has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will testify about me.
John 15:26
When they bring you before the synagogues, the rulers, and the authorities, don't be anxious how or what you will answer, or what you will say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that same hour what you must say."
Luke 12:11-12
However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but what-ever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming.
John 16:13

I think this following scripture shows also that the Holy Spirit is not Jesus.

Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.
Matt. 12:32

[JehovahsWitness]

... a Lamb standing, ...having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, ...
Rev. 5:6

Jesus 7 eyes are called "the seven spirits of God" are these seperate intelligent beings with whom Jesus and God can converse? If so, where did they comd from? Were ghey created?

If the holy spirit is another one of these, where does it come from? Was it created ?