every tear

[Athetotheist]

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
(Rev. 21:4)

Imagine yourself in heaven after the end of this world, where the throngs of the saved have been gathered to sing praises to Jesus for eternity.....

.....but someone you loved very deeply and dearly in this life is not there. That someone was loving, kind, humble and generous, but was just never convinced of the Jesus story......

.....so now you're in heaven forever and your dear one is not, and sometimes you stand alone at the edge of heaven looking out into the abyss and remembering.

As long as you remember, can every tear be wiped from your eyes? How? Must an act of divine amnesia be worked upon you to remove the sorrow from your heart by removing the loved one from your mind? Are you to simply put your memory and your love away in the eternal rejoicing? If so, is the eternal bliss still genuine?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to theophile in post #20]

Wiping tears away from eyes still implies tears. That there may still be tears. These tears will just be wiped away and comforted when they come.

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying....."

Tears come from crying. There isn't supposed to be any more crying.

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #13]

If someone is not in heaven, it means he is utterly evil person.

So a person who loved his neighbor as himself through his whole life is "utterly evil" for not believing in Jesus?

I think person who loves his neighbor as Jesus and God has recommended, believes Jesus and God. I think such a person is likely righteous and can have the eternal life.

[1213]

So, let me get this straight. If your closest loved ones were deemed 'evil' and destroyed, you would always remain in total bliss anyways, and never morn their eternal disappearance, simply because you are in Heaven? You see how this is not logical? You either need to be transformed -- to become more callus, or. have your memory wiped. Otherwise, you would not give a rip here on earth ether. if you lost a close loved one.

I would mourn that they choose to be evil. But I don't think I would mourn it eternally, because I understand that people are meant to be free. If someone choose evil, why would I mourn if the person gets what he wants, separation form God? I don't own other people and they don't have to live for me, or with God. I would mourn more, if they would be forced to be good and live with me, against their will.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 1213 in post #22]

I think person who loves his neighbor as Jesus and God has recommended, believes Jesus

Do you think a person has to believe in Jesus in order to love his neighbor?

[marke]

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
(Rev. 21:4)

Imagine yourself in heaven after the end of this world, where the throngs of the saved have been gathered to sing praises to Jesus for eternity.....

.....but someone you loved very deeply and dearly in this life is not there. That someone was loving, kind, humble and generous, but was just never convinced of the Jesus story......

.....so now you're in heaven forever and your dear one is not, and sometimes you stand alone at the edge of heaven looking out into the abyss and remembering.

As long as you remember, can every tear be wiped from your eyes? How? Must an act of divine amnesia be worked upon you to remove the sorrow from your heart by removing the loved one from your mind? Are you to simply put your memory and your love away in the eternal rejoicing? If so, is the eternal bliss still genuine?

Marke: We have little understanding here on earth of what we will think like in heaven.

1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #25]

We have little understanding here on earth of what we will think like in heaven.

1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But Rev. 21:4 is supposed to be accurate, isn't it?

[POI]

So, let me get this straight. If your closest loved ones were deemed 'evil' and destroyed, you would always remain in total bliss anyways, and never morn their eternal disappearance, simply because you are in Heaven? You see how this is not logical? You either need to be transformed -- to become more callus, or. have your memory wiped. Otherwise, you would not give a rip here on earth ether. if you lost a close loved one.

I would mourn that they choose to be evil. But I don't think I would mourn it eternally, because I understand that people are meant to be free. If someone choose evil, why would I mourn if the person gets what he wants, separation form God? I don't own other people and they don't have to live for me, or with God. I would mourn more, if they would be forced to be good and live with me, against their will.

Since Heaven is complete bliss, this is logically impossible. You cannot mourn, at all, ever, if you are present in a place of complete bliss. Hence, is your memory wiped by this God, or are you transformed by this God, or other? Please pick one?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 1213 in post #23]

I would mourn that they choose to be evil. But I don't think I would mourn it eternally, because I understand that people are meant to be free. If someone choose evil, why would I mourn if the person gets what he wants, separation form God?

It isn't about someone wanting separation from God. It's about someone simply not being convinced that Jesus is the way to God, or not believing in God at all.

It's unfair and self-righteous to assume that others want to be evil just because they don't believe what you believe.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #25]

We have little understanding here on earth of what we will think like in heaven.

1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But Rev. 21:4 is supposed to be accurate, isn't it?

Marke: Yes, the scriptures are totally and irrefutably accurate.

Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

[marke]

So, let me get this straight. If your closest loved ones were deemed 'evil' and destroyed, you would always remain in total bliss anyways, and never morn their eternal disappearance, simply because you are in Heaven? You see how this is not logical? You either need to be transformed -- to become more callus, or. have your memory wiped. Otherwise, you would not give a rip here on earth ether. if you lost a close loved one.

I would mourn that they choose to be evil. But I don't think I would mourn it eternally, because I understand that people are meant to be free. If someone choose evil, why would I mourn if the person gets what he wants, separation form God? I don't own other people and they don't have to live for me, or with God. I would mourn more, if they would be forced to be good and live with me, against their will.

Since Heaven is complete bliss, this is logically impossible. You cannot mourn, at all, ever, if you are present in a place of complete bliss. Hence, is your memory wiped by this God, or are you transformed by this God, or other? Please pick one?

Marke: Christians in heaven will find God has not only forgiven them of all their sins but will remove all remaining remorse and sadness for having committed those sins.