Evolutionary Purpose of Morality

[Wootah]

I think I worked it out.

The evolution purpose of morality is to forget the evil we have done and do.

No one can cope with the horror show of biology and human history. We are all descended for murderers, etc.

So in response morality evolved to help with an illusion that we are the good guys.

Does anyone want to debate my notion on the evolution of morality?

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[Wootah]

Take war, for instance. X goes to war with Y. If someone from X kills someone from Y, is that "good"? If not, is it "good" if it is vice versa? Remember, the Bible God sanctions killing. Is killing only good if God okays it?

That's my point. The post-hoc rationalisation is morality's purpose.

Okay, but you continue to not answer my repeated question. You keep taking about how humans use 'mortality' to mask what is really evil. What is actually "good" and what is actually "evil"? Is there such a thing. And if so, what is the standard and how do you know?

I think morality is something we all know, we can ignore, that our conscience reminds us of. I think morality is grounded in God. But it is also wisdom.

For me morality is an illusion as we make impossible choices. Ultimately we are meant to step back and acknowledge we need God to come again and make things right.

And the irony of morality is the first victim is always God. In our hearts we all have to say God doesn't exist and so I can do X before we do X.

[POI]

Take war, for instance. X goes to war with Y. If someone from X kills someone from Y, is that "good"? If not, is it "good" if it is vice versa? Remember, the Bible God sanctions killing. Is killing only good if God okays it?

That's my point. The post-hoc rationalisation is morality's purpose.

Okay, but you continue to not answer my repeated question. You keep taking about how humans use 'mortality' to mask what is really evil. What is actually "good" and what is actually "evil"? Is there such a thing. And if so, what is the standard and how do you know?

I think morality is something we all know, we can ignore, that our conscience reminds us of. I think morality is grounded in God. But it is also wisdom.

For me morality is an illusion as we make impossible choices. Ultimately we are meant to step back and acknowledge we need God to come again and make things right.

And the irony of morality is the first victim is always God. In our hearts we all have to say God doesn't exist and so I can do X before we do X.

How do you know which "X" choices are the actual naughty choices? Case/point, if you believe God gives you your moral compass, does this mean you condone chattel slavery rather than to believe it is 'evil'?

[Wootah]

Take war, for instance. X goes to war with Y. If someone from X kills someone from Y, is that "good"? If not, is it "good" if it is vice versa? Remember, the Bible God sanctions killing. Is killing only good if God okays it?

That's my point. The post-hoc rationalisation is morality's purpose.

Okay, but you continue to not answer my repeated question. You keep taking about how humans use 'mortality' to mask what is really evil. What is actually "good" and what is actually "evil"? Is there such a thing. And if so, what is the standard and how do you know?

I think morality is something we all know, we can ignore, that our conscience reminds us of. I think morality is grounded in God. But it is also wisdom.

For me morality is an illusion as we make impossible choices. Ultimately we are meant to step back and acknowledge we need God to come again and make things right.

And the irony of morality is the first victim is always God. In our hearts we all have to say God doesn't exist and so I can do X before we do X.

How do you know which "X" choices are the actual naughty choices? Case/point, if you believe God gives you your moral compass, does this mean you condone chattel slavery rather than to believe it is 'evil'?

I think slavery is part of the nature of reality. We are all slaves to sin. The biggest illusion of today (apart from the regular ones) is that slavery no longer exists. But for my intents I am also content to say that it is irrational to think you have done good/evil in a materialist universe. Whatever good/bad/evil is ... that's what morality is designed to cover up.

[POI]

I think slavery is part of the nature of reality. We are all slaves to sin. The biggest illusion of today (apart from the regular ones) is that slavery no longer exists. But for my intents I am also content to say that it is irrational to think you have done good/evil in a materialist universe. Whatever good/bad/evil is ... that's what morality is designed to cover up.

This is not what I'm speaking about, at all. I mean the chattel slavery that the Bible condones. Does your moral compass condone it too? If you instead reject chattel slavery, then maybe this is 'evil' at work? Maybe this is your 'morality'. Meaning, what you are speaking about, how we humans use 'morality' to help us sleep better at night.

[Jose Fly]

H. sapiens are a social species and have evolved complex social structures as a means of survival. Morality is a means to keep human societies functional and cohesive, which increases the likelihood of those societies' survival (and subsequently the survival of the individuals within).

[Wootah]

H. sapiens are a social species and have evolved complex social structures as a means of survival. Morality is a means to keep human societies functional and cohesive, which increases the likelihood of those societies' survival (and subsequently the survival of the individuals within).

Yes that is the sweet dream, the fantasy. Denial.

[Jose Fly]

H. sapiens are a social species and have evolved complex social structures as a means of survival. Morality is a means to keep human societies functional and cohesive, which increases the likelihood of those societies' survival (and subsequently the survival of the individuals within).

Yes that is the sweet dream, the fantasy. Denial.

That's not a rebuttal. It's just 3rd grade level "Nuh uh".

[Wootah]

H. sapiens are a social species and have evolved complex social structures as a means of survival. Morality is a means to keep human societies functional and cohesive, which increases the likelihood of those societies' survival (and subsequently the survival of the individuals within).

Yes that is the sweet dream, the fantasy. Denial.

That's not a rebuttal. It's just 3rd grade level "Nuh uh".

My whole thread is rebutting what you posted and what you posted was not your thoughts.

The thread is denying the fantasy of morality as social but getting to the heart of morality as the means we can deny our true nature.

[Jose Fly]

My whole thread is rebutting what you posted and what you posted was not your thoughts.

The thread is denying the fantasy of morality as social but getting to the heart of morality as the means we can deny our true nature.

Do you have a rebuttal specific to what I posted, or are you just going to keep putting up "Nuh uh" type replies?

[Wootah]

My whole thread is rebutting what you posted and what you posted was not your thoughts.

The thread is denying the fantasy of morality as social but getting to the heart of morality as the means we can deny our true nature.

Do you have a rebuttal specific to what I posted, or are you just going to keep putting up "Nuh uh" type replies?

You are the one saying 'nuh uh'. Did you even type what you wrote or was it cut and paste?

I think it is obvious when you step back and consider the standard narrative that it is a comforting illusion. Actually that is the point of morality from my point of view.

So looking deeper, you are clinging to morality for the illusion. Who can face the horror show of biology and what are ancestors must have done and what we do to survive?