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Why is it that the Quaran Hates Christians and Jews so much? There are numerous times in the Quaran where it calls for the destruction of Christians and Jews, i don't understand why that is? Any ideas?

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Re: if you read the quran well , you would know

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bernee51 wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:As for the correct interpretation I tell you :
not all the Qoran is open to interpretations ; there are many clear and straightforward verses. There are also some verses that are open to interpretations; you may ask why is this !
I tell you that when God reveales the Qoran ; Ha knows that there will be a time when people would say that the Qoran is out of date and that it doesn't take into consideration recent issues.
According to 'interpretation' should women wear hijab, burka or go bare headed?

Or is this dealt with in the koran as a clear and straightforward issue.
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In the Qoran ; women are ordered to cover their heads ; be it a hijab or niqab it is a matter of interpretation. but being bare headed is prohibited.


can a muslim man have more than one wife? Can a muslim woman have more than one husband?
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With regard to the permissibility of multiple spouses for men and its prohibition for women, there are several issues which are obvious to every intelligent person. Allaah has made woman like a vessel, but man is not like that. If a woman becomes pregnant (when she has had intercourse with a number of men at one time), the father can never be known. People’s lines of descent and lineage will be mixed up, families will be destroyed and children will be lost. Women will be burdened with so many children that they will be unable to bring them up and spend on their maintenance. Maybe women would find themselves forced to sterilize themselves, which would lead to the extinction of the human race. Moreover it is medically proven now that one of the major causes of the serious diseases which have become widespread, such as AIDS etc., is women having intercourse with more than one man, and the mixing of seminal fluids in the woman’s womb causes these lethal diseases. Hence Allaah has prescribed a waiting period (‘iddah) for a woman who has been divorced or whose husband has died, until enough time has passed for her womb and passages to be cleansed of any traces of her former husband, and the monthly period also has a role to play in this matter
yourfriend85 wrote: the first source that decides what Islam tells is the Qoran ; then ;the "sunna" of our prophet ( peace be upon Him) ( sunna : means the way our prophet (peace be upon Him) behaved ; wore ; ate ;some sayings...)
Can a muslim like the prophet have many wives, some as young as 9 years old?
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Allaah has allowed men to have more than one wife, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four"

[al-Nisa’ 4:3]

This clearly shows that plural marriage is permissible, and that according to Islamic sharee’ah a man may marry one, two, three or four wives, but it is not permissible for him to marry more than four. This is the view of the mufassireen and fuqaha’; the Muslims are unanimously agreed on this point and there is no difference of opinion.

It should be noted that there are conditions attached to plural marriage:

1 – Justice and fairness.

Because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one” [al-Nisa’ 4:3]. This verse shows that justice is a condition of plural marriage being permissible. If a man fears that he will not be able to treat his wives fairly if he marries more than one, then it is forbidden for him to marry more than one. What is meant by justice here is treating all wives equally with regard to spending, clothing, staying overnight and other material matters which are within his ability to control.

With regard to justice and equal treatment in the area of love, he is not held accountable for that, and it is not required of him because it is not possible to control it. This is what is meant by the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

“You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire”

[al-Nisa’ 4:129]

i.e., with regard to love of the heart.

2 – Being able to afford spending on plural wives.

The evidence for this is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allaah enriches them of His Bounty”

[al-Noor 24:33]

In these verses Allaah commands the one who is able to get married but cannot afford it to remain chaste. One of the reasons for not be able to afford to get married is not having enough to pay the mahr (dowry) or not being able to spend on one’s wife. Al-Mufassal fi Ahkaam al-Mar’ah, vol. 6, p. 286.


And because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married more than one wife, and Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Indeed in the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow”

[al-Ahzaab 33:21]

yourfriend85 wrote: and number three is the interpretation of the Qoran not by all imams ; but by trustful God fearing scholars.
Who decides 'trustworthy'? 'god fearing'?

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It is not permissible for us to allow or prohibit however we wish. When new issues come up, if we do not find a text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah, or in the sayings of the scholars who came before us, then we have to refer to trustworthy scholars and people of understanding, as Allaah commands us (interpretation of the meaning): “… so ask of those who know the Scripture…” [al-Nahl 16:43]. These are the scholars who examine the matter and make analogies (qiyaas) with the existing texts of Islam, taking into consideration the principles of necessity, and taking note of what is harmful and what is beneficial, relying on the basic general principles of sharee’ah, such as the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), “… he allows them as lawful al-tayyibaat [(i.e., all good and lawful things as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.]…” [al-A’raaf 7:157] and the hadeeth, “There should be no harming nor reciprocating harm” (reported by Ibn Maajah, 2331), and avoiding following whims and desires. Every evil thing that is proven to be harmful is prohibited, and every good and beneficial thing is permitted. If it is not known that it is either harmful or beneficial, then the general rule is that it is permissible (mubaah). And Allaah knows best.

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I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.

If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?

What are rich women allowed?
Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?

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Greatest I Am wrote:I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.
sorry , I didn't understand you well !
If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?
women are not inferior to men in Islam.Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allaah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation.
Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body

About the Day of Judgement ; both men and women will be asked equally about their deeds and will be judged equally. Have I been clear or not !

What are rich women allowed?
Allowed in what exactly ! Can you clarify please !
Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?
God has prepared for believing people in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men.A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn ( Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. )and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse.

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Females also will have sexual intercourse with their husbands in paradise.

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yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.
sorry , I didn't understand you well !
If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?
women are not inferior to men in Islam.Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation.
Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.

I would need an example where equality would be unjust to one of the parties!!!

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body


If you never face this temptation and overcome it, then your purity should not be enough to gain you heaven. If you could hide all sinful things then you would never master anything. How can you think that God wants people that hide evil and run away from it all the time.

Further are not the fashion set by God not in fact set by the elders of your religion and are they not all men. Women then have no say in their fashion.


About the Day of Judgement ; both men and women will be asked equally about their deeds and will be judged equally. Have I been clear or not !

What are rich women allowed?
Allowed in what exactly ! Can you clarify please !

I meant before death, can a rich woman have two husbands.

Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?
God has prepared for believing people in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men.A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn ( Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. )and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse.

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DL
Females also will have sexual intercourse with their husbands in paradise.
In a place of equality the wives would be able to choose two husbands. Is this the case in your Heaven. If not, why not.

Regards
DL

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Re: Many husbands

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Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.
sorry , I didn't understand you well !
If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?
women are not inferior to men in Islam.Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation.
Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.

I would need an example where equality would be unjust to one of the parties!!!

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body


If you never face this temptation and overcome it, then your purity should not be enough to gain you heaven. If you could hide all sinful things then you would never master anything. How can you think that God wants people that hide evil and run away from it all the time.

Further are not the fashion set by God not in fact set by the elders of your religion and are they not all men. Women then have no say in their fashion.


About the Day of Judgement ; both men and women will be asked equally about their deeds and will be judged equally. Have I been clear or not !

What are rich women allowed?
Allowed in what exactly ! Can you clarify please !

I meant before death, can a rich woman have two husbands.

Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?
God has prepared for believing people in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men.A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn ( Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. )and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse.

Regards
DL
Females also will have sexual intercourse with their husbands in paradise.
In a place of equality the wives would be able to choose two husbands. Is this the case in your Heaven. If not, why not.

Regards
DL

One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise, namely al-hoor al-‘iyn, and for women there is an equivalent delight. By His great wisdom, God has not mentioned what the women will have as the equivalent of al-hoor al-‘iyn for men, and that is due to modesty and shyness. How can He encourage them to seek Paradise by mentioning something that they are too shy and modest to mention or speak about themselves? So He has simply hinted at it, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire

[Fussilat 41:31-32]

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yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.
sorry , I didn't understand you well !
If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?
women are not inferior to men in Islam.Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation.
Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.

I would need an example where equality would be unjust to one of the parties!!!

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body


If you never face this temptation and overcome it, then your purity should not be enough to gain you heaven. If you could hide all sinful things then you would never master anything. How can you think that God wants people that hide evil and run away from it all the time.

Further are not the fashion set by God not in fact set by the elders of your religion and are they not all men. Women then have no say in their fashion.


About the Day of Judgement ; both men and women will be asked equally about their deeds and will be judged equally. Have I been clear or not !

What are rich women allowed?
Allowed in what exactly ! Can you clarify please !

I meant before death, can a rich woman have two husbands.

Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?
God has prepared for believing people in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men.A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn ( Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. )and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse.

Regards
DL
Females also will have sexual intercourse with their husbands in paradise.
In a place of equality the wives would be able to choose two husbands. Is this the case in your Heaven. If not, why not.

Regards
DL

One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise, namely al-hoor al-‘iyn, and for women there is an equivalent delight. By His great wisdom, God has not mentioned what the women will have as the equivalent of al-hoor al-‘iyn for men, and that is due to modesty and shyness. How can He encourage them to seek Paradise by mentioning something that they are too shy and modest to mention or speak about themselves?

GIA wrote
Bull. Where is it writen that woman is more shy and modest than man. If the threat of man were removed her true nature might match ours .

So He has simply hinted at it, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire

[Fussilat 41:31-32]

If the majority of women after death choose to have two husbands for the change, Where will the men get their heavenly wives.

Regards
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Re: Many husbands

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Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.
sorry , I didn't understand you well !
If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?
women are not inferior to men in Islam.Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation.
Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.

I would need an example where equality would be unjust to one of the parties!!!

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body


If you never face this temptation and overcome it, then your purity should not be enough to gain you heaven. If you could hide all sinful things then you would never master anything. How can you think that God wants people that hide evil and run away from it all the time.

Further are not the fashion set by God not in fact set by the elders of your religion and are they not all men. Women then have no say in their fashion.


About the Day of Judgement ; both men and women will be asked equally about their deeds and will be judged equally. Have I been clear or not !

What are rich women allowed?
Allowed in what exactly ! Can you clarify please !

I meant before death, can a rich woman have two husbands.

Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?
God has prepared for believing people in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men.A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn ( Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. )and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse.

Regards
DL
Females also will have sexual intercourse with their husbands in paradise.
In a place of equality the wives would be able to choose two husbands. Is this the case in your Heaven. If not, why not.

Regards
DL

One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise, namely al-hoor al-‘iyn, and for women there is an equivalent delight. By His great wisdom, God has not mentioned what the women will have as the equivalent of al-hoor al-‘iyn for men, and that is due to modesty and shyness. How can He encourage them to seek Paradise by mentioning something that they are too shy and modest to mention or speak about themselves?

GIA wrote
Bull. Where is it writen that woman is more shy and modest than man. If the threat of man were removed her true nature might match ours .

So He has simply hinted at it, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire

[Fussilat 41:31-32]

If the majority of women after death choose to have two husbands for the change, Where will the men get their heavenly wives.

Regards
DL
Do you ask about the place where men will live with their heavenly wives or what !
Sorry ; I didn't understand well your question. :-k

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yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.
sorry , I didn't understand you well !
If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?
women are not inferior to men in Islam.Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation.
Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.


I would need an example where equality would be unjust to one of the parties!!!

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body


If you never face this temptation and overcome it, then your purity should not be enough to gain you heaven. If you could hide all sinful things then you would never master anything. How can you think that God wants people that hide evil and run away from it all the time.

Further are not the fashion set by God not in fact set by the elders of your religion and are they not all men. Women then have no say in their fashion.


About the Day of Judgement ; both men and women will be asked equally about their deeds and will be judged equally. Have I been clear or not !

What are rich women allowed?
Allowed in what exactly ! Can you clarify please !

I meant before death, can a rich woman have two husbands.

Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?
God has prepared for believing people in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men.A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn ( Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. )and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse.

Regards
DL
Females also will have sexual intercourse with their husbands in paradise.
In a place of equality the wives would be able to choose two husbands. Is this the case in your Heaven. If not, why not.

Regards
DL

One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise, namely al-hoor al-‘iyn, and for women there is an equivalent delight. By His great wisdom, God has not mentioned what the women will have as the equivalent of al-hoor al-‘iyn for men, and that is due to modesty and shyness. How can He encourage them to seek Paradise by mentioning something that they are too shy and modest to mention or speak about themselves?

GIA wrote
Bull. Where is it writen that woman is more shy and modest than man. If the threat of man were removed her true nature might match ours .

So He has simply hinted at it, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire

[Fussilat 41:31-32]

If the majority of women after death choose to have two husbands for the change, Where will the men get their heavenly wives.

Regards
DL
Do you ask about the place where men will live with their heavenly wives or what !
Sorry ; I didn't understand well your question. :-k
Firstly, Heaven is a non-corporeal realm. We have no bodies in Heaven. Bodies are for a physical life. Heaven is for a non physical life.

Your heaven includes bodies that still fell the need for sex.
Are children born in your heaven?

Your heaven allows for women to have two husbands.
I would think that most of your women would choose to have two husbands in heaven instead of the two wife to one husband scenario.

If this is the case then there will be a shortage of women for the men who want two wives in this heaven of yours.
To these men, they have landed in hell not heaven.

What will these men do without wives?

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Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:
yourfriend85 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.
sorry , I didn't understand you well !
If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?
women are not inferior to men in Islam.Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation.
Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.


I would need an example where equality would be unjust to one of the parties!!!

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body


If you never face this temptation and overcome it, then your purity should not be enough to gain you heaven. If you could hide all sinful things then you would never master anything. How can you think that God wants people that hide evil and run away from it all the time.

Further are not the fashion set by God not in fact set by the elders of your religion and are they not all men. Women then have no say in their fashion.


About the Day of Judgement ; both men and women will be asked equally about their deeds and will be judged equally. Have I been clear or not !

What are rich women allowed?
Allowed in what exactly ! Can you clarify please !

I meant before death, can a rich woman have two husbands.

Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?
God has prepared for believing people in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men.A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn ( Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. )and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse.

Regards
DL
Females also will have sexual intercourse with their husbands in paradise.
In a place of equality the wives would be able to choose two husbands. Is this the case in your Heaven. If not, why not.

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DL

One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise, namely al-hoor al-‘iyn, and for women there is an equivalent delight. By His great wisdom, God has not mentioned what the women will have as the equivalent of al-hoor al-‘iyn for men, and that is due to modesty and shyness. How can He encourage them to seek Paradise by mentioning something that they are too shy and modest to mention or speak about themselves?

GIA wrote
Bull. Where is it writen that woman is more shy and modest than man. If the threat of man were removed her true nature might match ours .

So He has simply hinted at it, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire

[Fussilat 41:31-32]

If the majority of women after death choose to have two husbands for the change, Where will the men get their heavenly wives.

Regards
DL
Do you ask about the place where men will live with their heavenly wives or what !
Sorry ; I didn't understand well your question. :-k
Firstly, Heaven is a non-corporeal realm. We have no bodies in Heaven. Bodies are for a physical life. Heaven is for a non physical life.
______
This is ONLY for you !
All Muslims believe that i,n Heaven there are bodies ; people there eat and have sex ...the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“The first group to enter Paradise will look like the moon on the night when it is full, then those who follow them will look like the brightest star in the sky; they will not urinate or defecate or spit or blow their noses. Their combs will be of gold and their sweat will be musk and their incense-burners will be pearls. Their wives will be al-hoor al-‘iyn. Their appearance will be the same and they will look like their father Adam who was sixty cubits tall.”

(Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2015).

Your heaven includes bodies that still fell the need for sex.
Islam encourages and gives glad tidings of things in Paradise which are forbidden in this world, such as men having intimate relationships with women outside of the framework of marriage – before we answer this question, we must make a serious point, which is that Allaah forbids whatever He wills in this world to its people, for He is the Creator and Sovereign of these things, so it is not permissible for anyone to object to the ruling of Allaah on the basis of his foolish thinking and imperfect understanding. The ruling and the decision of the matter, before and after, is only with Allaah, and there is none who can overturn His ruling, may He be glorified and exalted.

With regard to the question of why Allaah forbids some things in this world, then in the Hereafter will permit them as a reward to those who abstained from them (such as wine, zinaa, wearing silk for men, etc.), this is what Allaah wills to give as a reward to those who obey Him and patiently strive in this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Is there any reward for good other than good?” [al-Rahmaan 55:60]

With regard to the reason why these things are forbidden, there follow a few important points:

Firstly:

We do not necessarily know all the reasons why things are forbidden. There are some reasons which we do not know. The basic principle is to accept and submit to the texts even if we do not know the reason, because submission is the point of Islam which is based on complete obedience to Allaah, may He be exalted.

Secondly:

Some of the reasons for the prohibitions may be clear to us, such as the corruptions that result from zinaa, e.g., the mixing of lineages, the spread of fatal diseases and so on. When Islam forbids unlawful relationships, the intention is to protect people’s lineage and honour, which may not mean anything to the kaafirs and immoral people, who jump on one another like donkeys, with a boyfriend having intercourse with his girlfriend and people having intercourse with their own relatives and so on, as if they are in the jungle. Indeed, they are worse than animals, for some animals refuse to do such a thing, but these people do not refuse and do not care. As a result of this promiscuity, the ties that bind society disintegrate and it becomes filled with fatal sexual diseases which are an indication of the wrath of Allaah towards those who violate His sacred limits and make permissible that which is forbidden.

This is unlike the relationship of a man with the Hooris in Paradise – which is what has been asked about here – for we may note that in the case of a promiscuous woman in this world, her honour is readily available to all and she has no religious commitment or shame. She is not bound by a lawful relationship to one person. So men and women have intercourse with whomever they want, with no restrictions of religion or morality. But the hooris in Paradise are restrained and restricted to their husbands to whom Allaah has given them as a reward for their patience in abstaining from haraam things in this world. As Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions”

[al-Rahmaan 55:72]

“with whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [sexual intercourse] before them.” [al-Rahmaan 55:56]

The hoori is a wife for the man, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and We shall marry them to Hooris [female fair ones] with wide, lovely eyes…” [al-Dukhaan 44:54].

And they will be confined to their husbands, and no one else will have a share in them.

Thirdly:

Allaah – who has declared that in this world a man is not permitted to have more than four wives at one time – is the One Who will bless the people of Paradise with whatever He wills of al-hoor al-‘iyn. So there is no contradiction between what is forbidden in this world and in the Hereafter, because the rulings of each are different, in accordance with what the Lord wills. Undoubtedly the Hereafter is far better and more lasting than this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Beautified for men is the love of things they covet; women, children, much of gold and silver (wealth), branded beautiful horses, cattle and well-tilled land. This is the pleasure of the present world’s life; but Allaah has the excellent return (Paradise with flowing rivers) with Him.

Say: ‘Shall I inform you of things far better than those? For Al-Muttaqoon (the pious) there are Gardens (Paradise) with their Lord, underneath which rivers flow. Therein (is their) eternal (home) and Azwaajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives). And Allaah will be pleased with them. And Allaah is All-Seer of the (His) slaves.’”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:14-15]

Fourthly:

This prohibition may be a kind of test from Allaah to His slaves, to see whether they will obey these commands and avoid that which He has forbidden. The test could not be with regard to something for which people have no inclination and which they do not like; it has to be with regard to something to which they are inclined and attracted. This testing may include wealth – will a person take from that which is permitted and dispose of it in manners which are permitted, and will he fulfil the rights which Allaah has over it? The test with regard to women is: will he restrict himself to that which Allaah has permitted him of women, and will he lower his gaze and avoid seeking pleasure in that which Allaah has forbidden. It is an aspect of Allaah’s mercy – may He be exalted and glorified – that He does not forbid something to which people are inclined without allowing something of that nature and there is much which is permitted.

Fifthly:

The rulings (ahkaam) of this world are not like the rulings of the Hereafter. The wine of this world causes people to lose their minds, unlike the good wine of the Hereafter which does not make people lose their minds or cause headaches or stomachaches. What Allaah has prepared for the believers of women on the Day of Resurrection as a reward for their obedience is not like zinaa which violates people’s honour, confuses lineages, spreads diseases and leads to regret. The women of Paradise are pure and good; they will never die or get old, unlike the women of this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation.

And made them virgins.

Loving (their husbands only), (and) of equal age”

[al-Waaqi’ah 56:35]

Are children born in your heaven?
NO!No children are born in Heaven ( by theway, Heaven is not mine ! It is the divine reward of God to who obeyed Him)
Your heaven allows for women to have two husbands.
I didn't say that ! You misunderstood my reply. Women will have whatever they like.
I would think that most of your women would choose to have two husbands in heaven instead of the two wife to one husband scenario.

If this is the case then there will be a shortage of women for the men who want two wives in this heaven of yours.
To these men, they have landed in hell not heaven.

What will these men do without wives?
No Muslim will land in Hell ; Muslims who had commited sins in their lives will be punished in Hell (the period depends on the number of sins committed)and then God will save them and they will stay in Heaven FOREVER !


Regards
DL

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Greatest I Am wrote:I note that the dialog answers well to the question of men.
I also note that physical means is tied to moral issues. A strange bedfellow no.
sorry , I didn't understand you well !
If woman is lower than man on earth then does this situation come with them to Heaven or does she finally reach equality wit man upon death?
women are not inferior to men in Islam.Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation.
Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.


I would need an example where equality would be unjust to one of the parties!!!

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body


If you never face this temptation and overcome it, then your purity should not be enough to gain you heaven. If you could hide all sinful things then you would never master anything. How can you think that God wants people that hide evil and run away from it all the time.

Further are not the fashion set by God not in fact set by the elders of your religion and are they not all men. Women then have no say in their fashion.


About the Day of Judgement ; both men and women will be asked equally about their deeds and will be judged equally. Have I been clear or not !

What are rich women allowed?
Allowed in what exactly ! Can you clarify please !

I meant before death, can a rich woman have two husbands.

Is our sexuality in terms of male and female carried to Heaven?
God has prepared for believing people in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men.A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn ( Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. )and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse.

Regards
DL
Females also will have sexual intercourse with their husbands in paradise.
In a place of equality the wives would be able to choose two husbands. Is this the case in your Heaven. If not, why not.

Regards
DL

One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise, namely al-hoor al-‘iyn, and for women there is an equivalent delight. By His great wisdom, God has not mentioned what the women will have as the equivalent of al-hoor al-‘iyn for men, and that is due to modesty and shyness. How can He encourage them to seek Paradise by mentioning something that they are too shy and modest to mention or speak about themselves?

GIA wrote
Bull. Where is it writen that woman is more shy and modest than man. If the threat of man were removed her true nature might match ours .

So He has simply hinted at it, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire

[Fussilat 41:31-32]

If the majority of women after death choose to have two husbands for the change, Where will the men get their heavenly wives.

Regards
DL
Do you ask about the place where men will live with their heavenly wives or what !
Sorry ; I didn't understand well your question. :-k
Firstly, Heaven is a non-corporeal realm. We have no bodies in Heaven. Bodies are for a physical life. Heaven is for a non physical life.
______
This is ONLY for you !
All Muslims believe that i,n Heaven there are bodies ; people there eat and have sex ...the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“The first group to enter Paradise will look like the moon on the night when it is full, then those who follow them will look like the brightest star in the sky; they will not urinate or defecate or spit or blow their noses. Their combs will be of gold and their sweat will be musk and their incense-burners will be pearls. Their wives will be al-hoor al-‘iyn. Their appearance will be the same and they will look like their father Adam who was sixty cubits tall.”

(Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2015).

Your heaven includes bodies that still fell the need for sex.
Islam encourages and gives glad tidings of things in Paradise which are forbidden in this world, such as men having intimate relationships with women outside of the framework of marriage – before we answer this question, we must make a serious point, which is that Allaah forbids whatever He wills in this world to its people, for He is the Creator and Sovereign of these things, so it is not permissible for anyone to object to the ruling of Allaah on the basis of his foolish thinking and imperfect understanding. The ruling and the decision of the matter, before and after, is only with Allaah, and there is none who can overturn His ruling, may He be glorified and exalted.

With regard to the question of why Allaah forbids some things in this world, then in the Hereafter will permit them as a reward to those who abstained from them (such as wine, zinaa, wearing silk for men, etc.), this is what Allaah wills to give as a reward to those who obey Him and patiently strive in this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Is there any reward for good other than good?” [al-Rahmaan 55:60]

With regard to the reason why these things are forbidden, there follow a few important points:

Firstly:

We do not necessarily know all the reasons why things are forbidden. There are some reasons which we do not know. The basic principle is to accept and submit to the texts even if we do not know the reason, because submission is the point of Islam which is based on complete obedience to Allaah, may He be exalted.

Secondly:

Some of the reasons for the prohibitions may be clear to us, such as the corruptions that result from zinaa, e.g., the mixing of lineages, the spread of fatal diseases and so on. When Islam forbids unlawful relationships, the intention is to protect people’s lineage and honour, which may not mean anything to the kaafirs and immoral people, who jump on one another like donkeys, with a boyfriend having intercourse with his girlfriend and people having intercourse with their own relatives and so on, as if they are in the jungle. Indeed, they are worse than animals, for some animals refuse to do such a thing, but these people do not refuse and do not care. As a result of this promiscuity, the ties that bind society disintegrate and it becomes filled with fatal sexual diseases which are an indication of the wrath of Allaah towards those who violate His sacred limits and make permissible that which is forbidden.

This is unlike the relationship of a man with the Hooris in Paradise – which is what has been asked about here – for we may note that in the case of a promiscuous woman in this world, her honour is readily available to all and she has no religious commitment or shame. She is not bound by a lawful relationship to one person. So men and women have intercourse with whomever they want, with no restrictions of religion or morality. But the hooris in Paradise are restrained and restricted to their husbands to whom Allaah has given them as a reward for their patience in abstaining from haraam things in this world. As Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions”

[al-Rahmaan 55:72]

“with whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [sexual intercourse] before them.” [al-Rahmaan 55:56]

The hoori is a wife for the man, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and We shall marry them to Hooris [female fair ones] with wide, lovely eyes…” [al-Dukhaan 44:54].

And they will be confined to their husbands, and no one else will have a share in them.

Thirdly:

Allaah – who has declared that in this world a man is not permitted to have more than four wives at one time – is the One Who will bless the people of Paradise with whatever He wills of al-hoor al-‘iyn. So there is no contradiction between what is forbidden in this world and in the Hereafter, because the rulings of each are different, in accordance with what the Lord wills. Undoubtedly the Hereafter is far better and more lasting than this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Beautified for men is the love of things they covet; women, children, much of gold and silver (wealth), branded beautiful horses, cattle and well-tilled land. This is the pleasure of the present world’s life; but Allaah has the excellent return (Paradise with flowing rivers) with Him.

Say: ‘Shall I inform you of things far better than those? For Al-Muttaqoon (the pious) there are Gardens (Paradise) with their Lord, underneath which rivers flow. Therein (is their) eternal (home) and Azwaajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives). And Allaah will be pleased with them. And Allaah is All-Seer of the (His) slaves.’”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:14-15]

Fourthly:

This prohibition may be a kind of test from Allaah to His slaves, to see whether they will obey these commands and avoid that which He has forbidden. The test could not be with regard to something for which people have no inclination and which they do not like; it has to be with regard to something to which they are inclined and attracted. This testing may include wealth – will a person take from that which is permitted and dispose of it in manners which are permitted, and will he fulfil the rights which Allaah has over it? The test with regard to women is: will he restrict himself to that which Allaah has permitted him of women, and will he lower his gaze and avoid seeking pleasure in that which Allaah has forbidden. It is an aspect of Allaah’s mercy – may He be exalted and glorified – that He does not forbid something to which people are inclined without allowing something of that nature and there is much which is permitted.

Fifthly:

The rulings (ahkaam) of this world are not like the rulings of the Hereafter. The wine of this world causes people to lose their minds, unlike the good wine of the Hereafter which does not make people lose their minds or cause headaches or stomachaches. What Allaah has prepared for the believers of women on the Day of Resurrection as a reward for their obedience is not like zinaa which violates people’s honour, confuses lineages, spreads diseases and leads to regret. The women of Paradise are pure and good; they will never die or get old, unlike the women of this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation.

And made them virgins.

Loving (their husbands only), (and) of equal age”

[al-Waaqi’ah 56:35]

Are children born in your heaven?
NO!No children are born in Heaven ( by theway, Heaven is not mine ! It is the divine reward of God to who obeyed Him)
Your heaven allows for women to have two husbands.
I didn't say that ! You misunderstood my reply. Women will have whatever they like.
I would think that most of your women would choose to have two husbands in heaven instead of the two wife to one husband scenario.

If this is the case then there will be a shortage of women for the men who want two wives in this heaven of yours.
To these men, they have landed in hell not heaven.

What will these men do without wives?
No Muslim will land in Hell ; Muslims who had commited sins in their lives will be punished in Hell (the period depends on the number of sins committed)and then God will save them and they will stay in Heaven FOREVER !


Regards
DL
Where do I sign up. Cake and eat it to.

Just kidding

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DL

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