Two quesions for you scholars.

[Scrotum]

I had to questions i was wondering, unfortunate one of them flew away, perhaps i remember it, anyhow, first one;

1. WHERE in the bible does it say commiting suicide is a sin? I could´nt find it in any quick sin list i was looking for, but everyone SAYS its a sin and you wont come to heaven. WHY?

2. ok, i forgot the other one, but it was a good one. i know, alas, later on.

[McCulloch]

[...]Also, we were taught in elementary school that Christopher Columbus discovered that the earth was round. Yet, thousands of years ago a man wrote:

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth... (Isaiah 40:22)

The Question: How could any man write the above two scripture verses when man did not even discover these facts until recent times?

Circle: a plane curve generated by one point moving at a constant distance from a fixed point.

Sphere: a three-dimensional closed surface such that every point on the surface is equidistant from the center

The surface of the earth is not circular, it is spherical. If you wish to think that Isaiah was ahead of his time, then I would think that he would have used a different word.

Besides, long before Columbus, humans had determined that the earth's surfact was spherical. That knowledge was suppressed during the Dark Ages by the Christians who believed that the Bible taught a flat earth.

[myth-one.com]

Yes, and the topology of a sphere can be defined as every unique circle which can be drawn from the same point with equal radius. So the general shape of the earth was known when the Book of Isaiah was written.

The writer of Isaiah was simply the messenger and did not know the shape of the earth until God told him. He was "ahead of his time" in that he was chosen by God.

Yes, long before Columbus, humans knew that the earth was spherical. It was reported in Isaiah.

Most (but not all) Christians have been their own worst enemy for 2000 years. And yes, they are experts at suppressing knowledge! It does not surprise me that they believed the earth was flat. However, most believe what they are told, not what is in the Bible. The Bible states that the shape is "circular."
Must go, have some real work to do.

[Scrotum]

Yes, and the topology of a sphere can be defined as every unique circle which can be drawn from the same point with equal radius. So the general shape of the earth was known when the Book of Isaiah was written.

The writer of Isaiah was simply the messenger and did not know the shape of the earth until God told him. He was "ahead of his time" in that he was chosen by God.

Yes, long before Columbus, humans knew that the earth was spherical. It was reported in Isaiah.

Most (but not all) Christians have been their own worst enemy for 2000 years. And yes, they are experts at suppressing knowledge! It does not surprise me that they believed the earth was flat. However, most believe what they are told, not what is in the Bible. The Bible states that the shape is "circular."
Must go, have some real work to do.

Your not seriously saying that the Bible, Written BY flat-earthers is not flat-earth directed at the passages suited? Eh eh.

You know, it was believed that the earth was a FLAT circle. Much like the Hindu version, but without the Turtle. So please dont deny this.

And the Bible says nothing about a spherical earth, because it was believed to be flat during the times, so plleeeeeease.


OH, and do americans still believe it was Columbus whom "discovered" the Americas? Did you know the Vikings actually made worldmaps, very very accurate too, amazing stuff.

[McCulloch]

Yes, and the topology of a sphere can be defined as every unique circle which can be drawn from the same point with equal radius. So the general shape of the earth was known when the Book of Isaiah was written.

A circle is a flat plane shape. A sphere is to a circle as a cube is to a square. They are two different things. It could be that Isaiah meant to say sphere when he said circle. But such a speculation would be only that. You cannot with any honesty point to Isaiah's description of the earth as a circle and say that he must have meant a sphere.

The writer of Isaiah was simply the messenger and did not know the shape of the earth until God told him. He was "ahead of his time" in that he was chosen by God.

Unless the Egyptians who also knew told him. Anyway, it appears as if God told him that the earth was a circle. Circles are flat.

Yes, long before Columbus, humans knew that the earth was spherical. It was reported in Isaiah.

Only if you anachronistically project modern knowledge into Isaiah's account. At best, circle is ambiguous. One might inaccurately describe a ball as a circle, or more accurately, a compact disc as a circle*. Without more information, it is impossible to determine if Isaiah was mistaken about the shape of the earth or mistaken about his terminology.

Most (but not all) Christians have been their own worst enemy for 2000 years.

I would generalize that to all human groups.

And yes, they are experts at suppressing knowledge! It does not surprise me that they believed the earth was flat. However, most believe what they are told, not what is in the Bible. The Bible states that the shape is "circular."

Now, if you look at the passage in question,

It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Does that sound like the description of a circle or a sphere? How do you sit above a sphere? The imagery seems to be one of God sitting above a circle and seeing all of its inhabitants as we see grasshoppers.
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* - technically the outer rim is the circle. A compact disc would be all of the points within the circle.

[myth-one.com]

Vikings? The football team in Minnesota? That is amazing.

No one has objected to or questioned the first part of the original question. We seem to be going in circles on the second part. Am I to assume that all of us find it amazing that Moses was inspired by God to write something 3000 years ago that man only knew as a fact 20-30 years ago. That fact is that man can live to a maximum of 120 years:

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. (Genesis 6:3)

Did the Egyptians, Hindus, Minnesota Vikings, or the Kurds or Wheys or anyone except scientists in the past few years know this for a fact?

If not, how did Moses know it except by learning it from God? Ok, let's rule out that it was simply a wild ass guess on Moses' part.

[McCulloch]

Am I to assume that all of us find it amazing that Moses was inspired by God to write something 3000 years ago that man only knew as a fact 20-30 years ago. That fact is that man can live to a maximum of 120 years:

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. (Genesis 6:3)

Did the Egyptians, Hindus, Minnesota Vikings, or the Kurds or Wheys or anyone except scientists in the past few years know this for a fact?

If not, how did Moses know it except by learning it from God? Ok, let's rule out that it was simply a wild ass guess on Moses' part.

I see no reason to rule out the guess hypothesis.

Possible reasons why the writer claiming to be Moses states in Genesis 6 that humans could live 120 years:

1. wild guess
2. divine revelation
3. an estimate based on some evidence or tradition available to the author

After this statment was supposed to have been made Arphaxad was said to live 438 years; Salah was said to live 433 years; Eber was said to live 464 years; Peleg was said to live 239 years; Reu was said to live 239 years; Serug was said to live 230 years; Nahor was said to live 148 years; Terah was said to live 205 years; Abraham was said to live 175 years; Ishmael was said to live 137 years; Isaac was said to live 180 years; Jacob (Israel) was said to live 147 years; Jehoiada was said to live 130 years.

[Scrotum]

Am I to assume that all of us find it amazing that Moses was inspired by God to write something 3000 years ago that man only knew as a fact 20-30 years ago. That fact is that man can live to a maximum of 120 years:

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. (Genesis 6:3)

Did the Egyptians, Hindus, Minnesota Vikings, or the Kurds or Wheys or anyone except scientists in the past few years know this for a fact?

If not, how did Moses know it except by learning it from God? Ok, let's rule out that it was simply a wild ass guess on Moses' part.

I see no reason to rule out the guess hypothesis.

Possible reasons why the writer claiming to be Moses states in Genesis 6 that humans could live 120 years:

1. wild guess
2. divine revelation
3. an estimate based on some evidence or tradition available to the author

After this statment was supposed to have been made Arphaxad was said to live 438 years; Salah was said to live 433 years; Eber was said to live 464 years; Peleg was said to live 239 years; Reu was said to live 239 years; Serug was said to live 230 years; Nahor was said to live 148 years; Terah was said to live 205 years; Abraham was said to live 175 years; Ishmael was said to live 137 years; Isaac was said to live 180 years; Jacob (Israel) was said to live 147 years; Jehoiada was said to live 130 years.

And not to mention that the average age in the U.S, as example, is around 78 vyears old... So how come SO FEW even come CLOSE to this 120 mark?

It is like me saying that Human Beings can jump maximum 50 Meters up in the air, but currently the elite jumps 2,5m.... So your safe, as no one will ever jump (by himself) 50m.

[myth-one.com]

I think Arphaxad actually lived 933 years, and Methuselah holds the record at 962 years. But all of the people you mention were probably born before God created the 120 year limit.

If one could dodge murder, disease, war, famine, smoking, lightning, hurricaines, tornadoes, and all other outside causes of death, that person could live to 120 years. We do things consciously and unknowingly that take away from the 120 years. When we're young most of us think we are invincible. Oftentimes, many of us smoke and drink initially to prove we are real men. The poor choices we make take a big chunk out of the 120 years.

Your two statements are not similar in any respect in my estimation. The 120 years is achievable. No human will ever jump up 50 meters in the air without some assist or a reduction in gravity (most likely).

In fact, it is a safe bet that since man believes he has discovered the mechanism which restricts life (the telomeres becoming shorter), man will soon be tinkering with the process to extend the limits on life. That seems to be man's history. For any evolutionist out there, God very likely initiated this age limit through a mutation to the DNA. Yes, evolution is real. From that point on it would be passed forward in man. People born before that time would not be affected. (Who would want to live to 120+ years unless the quality of life for people that old was vastly improved?)

There is a detailed writeup on this at www.myth-one.com/chapter_19.htm which contains a list of people dying in the Old Testament and their ages at death. Once the change was effective, the ages of humans quickly begin to converge below the 120 years.

[Scrotum]

If one could dodge murder, disease, war, famine, smoking, lightning, hurricaines, tornadoes, and all other outside causes of death, that person could live to 120 years. We do things consciously and unknowingly that take away from the 120 years. When we're young we think we are invinceable. We smoke and drink initially to prove we are real men. What we do to ourselves takes the big chunk out of the 120.

I dont smoke nor drink. I assume you draw from your own life, but still, dont assert it to mine.

[myth-one.com]

I smoked for about 15 minutes in New Orleans while in the 9th grade, so I'm not a smoker either. That was meant as we men in general, not every single man. Will modify it. Sorry.