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What do you make of this guy? If he actually wins the presidency (which is a real possibility) what country will you move to?

Imo, he's highly entertaining to watch, and I'm eagerly awaiting the first republican presidential debate to see how crazy it'll be. The only real benefit of him entering the race is that it'll cause people who were probably apathetic when it came to politics to tune in and inform themselves on the issues.

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Trump is showing more and more what a petty and thin-skinned person he is.

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jeager106 wrote: Trump took that debate like Hitler took Paris.
He sure shocked a lot of people and has a huge following among voters.
If he wins the Presidency I'm moving to Australia.
I hate to say it but Trump is beginning to grow on me a little. I don't know what it is since I disagree with him on virtually everything, particularly international trade. Every time he spews the line about China, Mexico and Japan taking our jobs and dumping their products into this country I cringe. His position on free trade, which is that he'd implement tariffs and quotas on imports, is so off base and displays a total lack of understanding about economics.

But still, in light of this I am considering voting for him. Everybody up on the debate stage that night came across as weak and feeble, except for him. While I don't agree with him on the issues, and while I do think that he's a joke, I respect his tough, no bull attitude. If other candidates can adopt this attitude I'd consider voting for them.

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jeager106 wrote: Trump took that debate like Hitler took Paris.
He sure shocked a lot of people and has a huge following among voters.
If he wins the Presidency I'm moving to Australia.
I think you spelled Moscow wrong...

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WinePusher wrote: What do you make of this guy? If he actually wins the presidency (which is a real possibility) what country will you move to?
I seriously doubt that it's a "real possibility". I suppose we can say that simply because he's currently in the running, but to think that he would actually survive clear to the presidency is highly unlikely.

I was a bit surprised when I watch the republican debates. I couldn't help but seeing nothing but a line of total failures. Even one of the nominees, when asked about his potential lack of experience said the following:

"Whoever wins the Republican nomination is going to need to go up against Hilary Clinton, and there's is no one in this entire group who can compete with her in terms of resume."

I found that to be quite revealing.

He then went on to state that rather than comparing resumes and past accomplishment this race needs to be totally focused on the future and what the candidates can promise for the future.

But that's not much to run on. How many politicians have ever kept their promises?

I think the country in general is going to go with the resume and past accomplishments as a good indication of what a person might do in the future.

So apparently Hillary is already in.

And even if Trump made it to face off with her for the presidency all that would do is offer her the presidency on a silver platter.

As you have already observed, Trump is great comedic entertainment, but do the American People really want a comedian in the White House? Probably not.

It might make a good comedy movie though to have a fictional story where Trump becomes president. ;)

It could be a sequel to "All in the Family" Trump could be the new Archie Bunker.

The mere fact that Trump is on the republican list of potential nominees only goes to show just how desperate they truly are to find any decent candidates.
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WinePusher wrote:
jeager106 wrote: Trump took that debate like Hitler took Paris.
He sure shocked a lot of people and has a huge following among voters.
If he wins the Presidency I'm moving to Australia.
I hate to say it but Trump is beginning to grow on me a little. I don't know what it is since I disagree with him on virtually everything, particularly international trade. Every time he spews the line about China, Mexico and Japan taking our jobs and dumping their products into this country I cringe. His position on free trade, which is that he'd implement tariffs and quotas on imports, is so off base and displays a total lack of understanding about economics.

But still, in light of this I am considering voting for him. Everybody up on the debate stage that night came across as weak and feeble, except for him. While I don't agree with him on the issues, and while I do think that he's a joke, I respect his tough, no bull attitude. If other candidates can adopt this attitude I'd consider voting for them.
:D I have exactly the same guilty confession to make. :oops:
The primary reason to vote for him, perhaps the only reason, is that his wealth should give him substantial immunity from corporate interests. If memory serves he came out for a single payer health care system like Canada's. Virtually no key member of Congress, except Bernie Sanders, can afford to buck the medical lobby of the United States comprised of hospitals, physicians, big pharma, and health[?]insurance companies.

The problem with Trump is his ugly personality and the huge deficit he has in terms of general education.

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Trump is the best thing to happen to recent US conservatism. Add to that the great entertainment of his remarks and the teeth-gnashing of progressives and 'conservatives' and I'm not sure what more could be asked for.
WinePusher wrote:But still, in light of this I am considering voting for him. Everybody up on the debate stage that night came across as weak and feeble, except for him. While I don't agree with him on the issues, and while I do think that he's a joke, I respect his tough, no bull attitude.
Yes, people actually do long for a leader to lead the country. Trump isn't beholden (or as beholden) to rich billionaires and lobby groups and isn't afraid to speak what is un-PC, which is why he actually has a good shot at winning this and why media on both sides have been falling over themselves to predict that he'll self-implode (eg the 'McCain's not a hero' molehill).

Great entertainment (but I repeat myself).

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When Donald Trump wins the republican nomination (or becomes a third party candidate) he should produce a special edition of Celebrity Apprentice to pick a running mate. It will be HUGE.

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Danmark wrote::D I have exactly the same guilty confession to make. :oops:
The primary reason to vote for him, perhaps the only reason, is that his wealth should give him substantial immunity from corporate interests.
Yea, this is another reason why I like him. If he continues to fund his campaign entirely with his own money and if he continues trash talking people and speaking bluntly I'll seriously consider casting my vote for him.

I know, voting for someone mainly cause they're good entertainment sounds crazy right? But the thing is that with Trump you're not going to get the status quo. Obama promised real change in his 2008 campaign but things have remained relatively unchanged. The same is going to be true with Clinton, Sanders or anybody else from the republican side, there isn't going to be any type of massive political or social change under any of their administration.

On the other hand, if Trump does mange to make it to the White House everything is going to be shaken up and I really want to see how that goes down. O:)
Danmark wrote:If memory serves he came out for a single payer health care system like Canada's. Virtually no key member of Congress, except Bernie Sanders, can afford to buck the medical lobby of the United States comprised of hospitals, physicians, big pharma, and health[?]insurance companies.
Yes, and this just reinforces my about Donald Trump being horrible on the issues. He supports single payer, he wants to deport illegal immigrants, he wants tariffs on goods coming in from foreign countries, etc, etc. I disagree with ALL of these policies, and yet he is probably gonna get my vote.

Trump's candidacy and his potential presidency can be seen as a huge political experiment. The question we're trying to answer: What happens to a country when you make a crazy, unruly reality TV star billionaire the president? Despite all the ethical problems, I'm willing to approve this experiment for the next four years.

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WinePusher wrote:
Danmark wrote::D I have exactly the same guilty confession to make. :oops:
The primary reason to vote for him, perhaps the only reason, is that his wealth should give him substantial immunity from corporate interests.
Yea, this is another reason why I like him. If he continues to fund his campaign entirely with his own money and if he continues trash talking people and speaking bluntly I'll seriously consider casting my vote for him.

I know, voting for someone mainly cause they're good entertainment sounds crazy right?
Actually, for some time I've had the thought that considering how little difference who the President is makes in terms of actual impact on the daily lives of most people, entertainment value isn't such a bad reason for voting decisions.

However I usually look at it from the perspective of "Which candidate public speaking annoys me the least." The candidates who have annoyed me the most? The worst was 'W' Bush. Al Gore was also awful, which made it very difficult for me to vote in 2000. Trump is right there in between those two. Obama, on the other hand, is a gifted public speaker. Prob'ly the best since John Kennedy.

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WinePusher wrote:
Danmark wrote::D I have exactly the same guilty confession to make. :oops:
The primary reason to vote for him, perhaps the only reason, is that his wealth should give him substantial immunity from corporate interests.
Yea, this is another reason why I like him. If he continues to fund his campaign entirely with his own money and if he continues trash talking people and speaking bluntly I'll seriously consider casting my vote for him.
I would like candidates better if they were supported by a bunch of small, grassroots supporters.
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Trump's candidacy and his potential presidency can be seen as a huge political experiment. The question we're trying to answer: What happens to a country when you make a crazy, unruly reality TV star billionaire the president? Despite all the ethical problems, I'm willing to approve this experiment for the next four years.
I would only support a crazy billionaire running for President if they at least as likable as Ross Perot. Trump doesn't meet that standard.

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