Toronto "Slut Walk"

[Kuan]

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Does anyone else find this...weird? I dont understand what is wrong with it in any way, and for those who dont want to watch the video here is a quick summary.

"Proud" and "awesome" sluts are marching in Toronto for their right to dress like sluts. The protest is in response to a male cop who advised women to "avoid dressing like sluts" in order not to be victimized and raped.

Questions for debate: Was the cop giving bad advice? Was he interfering with their rights to dress slutty? Was the advice common sense?

[Wootah]

Well, rape is very low in countries were women wear a burqua. Could there be a correlation?

Actually, reports of rape are very low in countries where women wear the burqua. Also the justice system is heavily biased against women witnesses in countries where women wear burquas. Could there be a correlation?

Agreed. And what we define as rape is often defined as part of being married in Muslim countries. 'treat women as a field to be ploughed' (Koran 2:223)


On topic. Women can dress as sluts. I far more value freedom that oppression. Let each person choose to be moral or not.

[Goat]

Not always!

NSFW
http://www.gotopless.org/

Notice, they have to organize a special day to get people to violate custom. Mind you, in NYC, it is totally legal, as long as it is not for 'sexual reasons'.. what ever that means.

[Strider324]

I'm with the sluts.

But I'd also like to see the word slut disappear from the english language, or used a lot less often. A 'slut' is merely a woman who is sexually liberated. Why the insult? Why the disrespect? I reserve the word slut for a serial bedder-down of other women's men.

I'd like the word to lose its gender bias. Why is a sexually promiscuous woman called a slut but her male counterpart is not? We look down our noses at the slut, but give a nod an a wink to a stud?

I am not sure that it is ignored. Haven't you ever heard the term 'man whore'? I have see that term used (I admit, mainly by women of the generation after me).

I've never heard that term used as a pejorative. A man whore seems generally to be desired by women and envied by men. A slut us generally (in our puritanical society) desired by men (but never taken home to Mom) and reviled by women.

[Furrowed Brow]

The UK is behind the curve. As I type this BBC1 morning news is discussing the comments of the Toronto policeman.

[Choir Loft]

Does anyone else find this...weird? I dont understand what is wrong with it in any way, and for those who dont want to watch the video here is a quick summary.

"Proud" and "awesome" sluts are marching in Toronto for their right to dress like sluts. The protest is in response to a male cop who advised women to "avoid dressing like sluts" in order not to be victimized and raped.

Questions for debate: Was the cop giving bad advice? Was he interfering with their rights to dress slutty? Was the advice common sense?

THE REAL ISSUE:
The real issue has nothing to do with clothing choices.
The real issue is forcing their particular brand of morality on everybody else.
The device for doing this is a public parade which demands approval by it's very presence.

These women have denuded themselves of every bit of self-respect.
Worse - by their public display they demand everyone else to participate in their vulgarity.
THAT is the problem, not the clothing.
THAT is the moral question and problem.
They are demanding the rest of us to approve of their performance and sink to their level.

I for one refuse to participate or grant approval.

Since they are parading their version of morality in public, I am likewise justified in parading my opinion.

Whatever happened to consideration of others? Is it not part of adult behavior any more or is the whole question one of perpetual indulgence at the expense of the community?

Why any self-respecting woman would go out in public looking like a whore is beyond me. These self-centered fools would probably be insulted if a guy came up to one of them and offered fifty bucks for a quickie. They'd probably cry for his arrest. I'd wonder what kind of diseases they're carrying.

The funny thing is that these street clowns probably dress like that all the time and just want to avoid buying decent clothing and acquring some sort of education on how to wear normal clothing. Who manufactures their makeup, Glidden?

Dangle a worm in front of a fish and he bites. Is male entrapment the motive or is it simply the desire for shock and awe? They may want to shock, but my reaction is a deep retching sensation. These women are just plain UGLY!

Why not shed the pretense altogether and strip right down to their birthday suit? They are all pudgey and obese, that's why. The sight of these Pillsbury dough Girls wagging their fatty rolls down the street would be disgusting - from a totally artistic point of view you understand.

Their choice of public dress, exhibition and total disregard for everyone else is as UGLY and disgusting as they are.

They should save it for the night when the shadows can hide most of the FAT.
Let the pimps and the johns profit from the rest.

[McCulloch]

The real issue is forcing their particular brand of morality on everybody else.

Their brand of morality is that no matter how you are dressed, consent is required for sexual activity. Forced sex is wrong. Do you not share that morality?

Why any self-respecting woman would go out in public looking like a whore is beyond me.

Is it that you believe that those engaged in the sex trade cannot have self-respect?

These self-centered fools would probably be insulted if a guy came up to one of them and offered fifty bucks for a quickie.

Is that the going rate (I really don't know)? So what if some of them are prostitutes? Do prostitutes deserve to be raped? How about lingerie models? Porn actors? Any woman not wearing a burqa?

I'd wonder what kind of diseases they're carrying.

A genuine concern if you were planning to employ their services.

Since all you seem to notice about them is how their physique and looks do not meet your particular standards, it seems to me that their efforts were completely wasted on you. If all you think about is what kind of a sexual partner any of them might be for you, you have entirely missed the point.

[Choir Loft]

Their of morality is that no matter how you are dressed, consent is required for sexual activity. Forced sex is wrong. Do you not share that morality?

YOU missed 'the point'.
The POINT was a demonstration/parade about clothing choices.
PERIOD.

You are reading too much into it.....forced sex and all.

Is it that you believe that those engaged in the sex trade cannot have self-respect?

There is no 'belief' about it.
Mostly they don't and that's a flat statement.

But again, that isn't THE POINT.
THE POINT is that the immorality of these ugly women is forced upon the community and that it is demanded of the community to accept it.

Do you have a problem with focusing on a subject?
Is your attention span really that short that you cannot fix upon one issue and examine it?
Or do you suppose that putting up a smoke screen will somehow justify forced immorality?

Is that the going rate (I really don't know)? So what if some of them are prostitutes? Do prostitutes deserve to be raped? How about lingerie models? Porn actors? Any woman not wearing a burqa?

Whether anyone deserves to be raped isn't the issue.
Wearing certain clothing tends to invite it, and that's a fact.
I have never seen a whore dressed as a nun, have you?

BTW a burqa isn't sexy. Just thought you'd like to know.
Why did you throw that in there? More smoke and mirrors I'll bet.

A genuine concern if you were planning to employ their services.

Actually, considering their appearance I'd worry about sitting in a theater or restaurant seat that one of them had evacuated. Filthy is as filthy does.

Since all you seem to notice about them is how their physique and looks do not meet your particular standards, it seems to me that their efforts were completely wasted on you. If all you think about is what kind of a sexual partner any of them might be for you, you have entirely missed the point.

THE POINT as I stated before and which you seem incapable of grasping (perhaps you need to view the video again to learn), is the right of these chubbs to force their suggestive clothing upon the public.

That they will do so anyway is another issue.
That they are forcing their blubbery bodies upon the general population and demanding respect for something that doesn't deserve it IS THE POINT.

MY POINT as ever is not the clothing. Do you get it yet?

The immoral POINT is that these cows are attempting to force their own particular morality upon everyone else BY MEANS OF a public parade, which is a device to command respect (not deserved).


You cannot steal respect. It is a thing that must be earned.


Whatever happened to consideration of others? Is it not part of adult behavior any more or is the whole question one of perpetual indulgence at the expense of the community?

The parade is the issue here, not the fashion (or lack of it).
The parade is the true immorality.

Are we learning yet?

[McCulloch]

YOU missed 'the point'.
The POINT was a demonstration/parade about clothing choices.

I believe that richardP is the one missing the point. If one takes the time to look at why these people held this demonstration, and at what provoked it, you will find that this is not merely about clothing choices. It is about the hateful bigoted attitude that blames the victims of crime for their clothing choices. "Dress like a slut and you increase your chances of getting raped" is not the message that the police should be sending to the public.

These women were not dressing like they were in order to give voyeurs a thrill.

PERIOD.

Do the excessive capitals and the spelling out of punctuation as interjection make a weak argument into a strong one?

Is it that you believe that those engaged in the sex trade cannot have self-respect?

There is no 'belief' about it.
Mostly they don't and that's a flat statement.

Thank you for your unsupported opinion on this matter. I will assess your opinion weighted by the sensitive and insightful way in which you have treated the issues raised by these people.

Whether anyone deserves to be raped isn't the issue.
Wearing certain clothing tends to invite it, and that's a fact.

Do you have any research on which to base this assertion?

Women have been raped by men . . . for many of the same reasons that blacks were lynched by gangs of whites: as group punishment for being uppity, for getting out of line, for failing to recognize “one’s place,� for assuming sexual freedoms, or for behavior no more provocative than walking down the road at night in the wrong part of town and presenting a convenient, isolated target for group hatred and rage.

I have never seen a whore dressed as a nun, have you?

Not personally, but I'm told that there are those who cater to that fetish. By the way, nuns have been raped. Did they ask for it?

BTW a burqa isn't sexy. Just thought you'd like to know.
Why did you throw that in there? More smoke and mirrors I'll bet.

That is kinda the point. If you wish to prevent rape by blaming the victim and getting them to dress less provocatively, then why stop at sensible shoes and conservative dress, if you really want to avoid being raped, wear a burqa!

THE POINT as I stated before and which you seem incapable of grasping (perhaps you need to view the video again to learn), is the right of these chubbs to force their suggestive clothing upon the public.

Yes, the point is that people of all sizes should be allowed to dress as they wish and not to face the risk of criminal victimization for their choices. I am sorry that you are so shallow to miss the sexual potential and attractiveness of overweight people.

...these ugly women
...these chubbs
...their blubbery bodies
...these cows

When you get over your need to insult and demean overweight women, you might then be ready to seriously look at the important issues these people are trying to raise.

[Choir Loft]

I believe that richardP is the one missing the point. If one takes the time to look at why these people held this demonstration, and at what provoked it, you will find that this is not merely about clothing choices. It is about the hateful bigoted attitude that blames the victims of crime for their clothing choices. "Dress like a slut and you increase your chances of getting raped" is not the message that the police should be sending to the public.

The inability to acknowledge a point made here is amazing. If I could find a cerebral jack hammer I'd use it to penetrate that concrete - attitude - entered in your posts.

Once again, because you just don't get it......

MY POINT is that the public parade is in and of itself immoral.
Why?
Because it forces the views of a specific group of people upon those who didn't ask for it.

That is, after all, the whole purpose of a parade and it is why they did it - to force their opinions upon those who witnessed them marching down the street. They "get it", why can't you?

You continue to obfuscate and fuss - all the time errantly avoiding my assertion.
Why? Are you ignorant of the political purposes of a parade, of any public demonstration?

ALL PARADES are political.
Usually most people agree with the theme. In this case they don't.

I am making a simple statement of political fact. Try to keep up, I know it's a stretch but if you pay attention you might actually learn something.

All parades are political.
THIS parade's theme was that dressing like a whore is ok.
The parade, not the clothing, is the primary immoral factor here because it forces an opinion upon the community which is beyond the scope of a standard of appearance.

If you still think I'm wrong, then please provide something other than your limited intellectual capacity to prove it.

Does anybody out there understand what I'm trying to say, or is this person the only one that can't figure it out?

It's about the parade, Einstein, not the fashion.

[Choir Loft]

When you get over your need to insult and demean overweight women, you might then be ready to seriously look at the important issues these people are trying to raise.

Let me try to explain my position on this one.....perhaps you can learn something about men and women in the process.....but only if you pay attention.

A beautiful woman never needs to resort to extreme methods in order to get attention and respect. She has it always.

An ugly woman doesn't get attention or respect at all.
That's the reason the feminist movement was created, so that ugly women could get jobs.
Mostly it worked.

If an ugly woman wants attention she can get it in several ways;

1. By doing good and being of kind and gentle service to all who know her (an angel in the rough, so to speak).

2. By improving upon nature in the use of attractive clothing, makeup, manners, education and character.

3. By being a loud and obnoxious pest, by being a nag and by fulfilling basic needs of the male community - for a price.

Ugly men don't seem to have a problem with their own appearance.

Hence the axiom:
A woman MUST be gorgeous.
A man must only be presentable.

Women are also predisposed to want attention.
They want it and they need it.
They are hard wired for it.

Men are hard wired to love women and to give them the attention they need.
It is natural and in most societies they are required to do so BY LAW.

Most of the time this arrangement works pretty well.

If a woman isn't born a beauty, there are a multitude of ways she can make herself look pretty darn good. Women are true artists when it comes to personal beautification.

They also spend a fortune to do it.

That's why public ugliness will NEVER be acceptable to the general population.

That's also why the parade is immoral (morality = community standards of behavior) and down right ugly. The women who particiapted in it did themselves a disservice and accomplished nothing in their political efforts to make a point.

After all, it isn't illegal to be ugly or to dress ugly.
So what's the point?
Nag nag nag
whine whine whine
bitch bitch bitch
(The sounds made by ugly barnyard animals.)
See #3 above if you've missed this attempt at sarcasm.