What is the definition of "law" in the NT

[scottlittlefield17]

In the topic I posted on the head covering Benoni and me disagreed on what "law" was. You can find the disagreement here. I did not press him to hard because I did not want to get off topic.

Here are my ideas Benoni:
1. The Bible is considered completely inherent with all parts having equal worth.
2. Each challege of the apposing post must be answered even if it is to say that you have no answer at the moment
3. That it is understood that neither of us have hard feelings toward the other.

If have anything to add please do. If not then just state your agreement with the above and I outline my first set of arguments.

[scottlittlefield17]

No the Bible is not God's breath His living Word by it self it is the letter that killeth. The Word of God is not the Bible, but instead the Holy Spirit revealing the living Word thought the Bible. Without the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us into all truth the Bible is nothing but a book, a letter that killeth.

Will the Holy Spirit ever ever tell you anything that differs from what the Bible says?

[Benoni]

No the Bible is not God's breath His living Word by it self it is the letter that killeth. The Word of God is not the Bible, but instead the Holy Spirit revealing the living Word thought the Bible. Without the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us into all truth the Bible is nothing but a book, a letter that killeth.

Will the Holy Spirit ever ever tell you anything that differs from what the Bible says?

Yes. But he will never tell you something that is not in God's Word. I worship Jesus not a book that has been corrupted by man. I mentioned Easter to you in my first post.


Easter is far more then just a Pagan word. Below we find the KJV totally mistranslating the word Passover and inserting the word for the Chaldean goddess (Baal), the queen of heaven

Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.


EASTER

pascha ^3957^, mistranslated "Easter" in <Acts 12:4>, KJV, denotes the Passover (RV). The phrase "after the Passover" signifies after the whole festival was at an end. The term "Easter" is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch held by Christians in post-apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast, but was not instituted by Christ, nor was it connected with Lent. From this Pasch the pagan festival of "Easter" was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity. See PASSOVER.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)
(Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)


Look what God’s Word speaks of such heresy….

Rom 11:3-6
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
(KJV)


EASTER

pascha ^3957^, mistranslated "Easter" in <Acts 12:4>, KJV, denotes the Passover (RV). The phrase "after the Passover" signifies after the whole festival was at an end. The term "Easter" is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch held by Christians in post-apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast, but was not instituted by Christ, nor was it connected with Lent. From this Pasch the pagan festival of "Easter" was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity. See PASSOVER.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)
(Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

BAAL

(ba'-al:) (ba`al; or Baal): The Babylonian Belu or Bel, "Lord," was the title of the supreme god among the Canaanites.
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I. NAME AND CHARACTER OF BAAL
II. ATTRIBUTES OF BAAL
III. BAAL-WORSHIP
IV. TEMPLES, ETC.
V. USE OF THE NAME
VI. FORMS OF BAAL
.. 1. Baal-berith
.. 2. Baal-gad
.. 3. Baal-hamon
.. 4. Baal-hermon
.. 5. Baal-peor
.. 6. Baal-zebub
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I. Name and Character of Baal:-- In Babylonia it was the title specially applied to Merodach of Babylon, which in time came to be used in place of his actual name. As the word in Hebrew also means "possessor," it has been supposed to have originally signified, when used in a religious sense, the god of a particular piece of land or soil. Of this, however, there is no proof, and the sense of "possessor" is derived from that of "lord." The Babylonian Bel-Merodach was a Sun-god, and so too was the Canaanite Baal whose full title was Baal-Shemaim, "lord of heaven." The Phoenician writer Sanchuniathon (Philo Byblius, Fragmenta II) accordingly says that the children of the first generation of mankind "in time of drought stretched forth their hands to heaven toward the sun; for they regarded him as the sole Lord of heaven, and called him Beel-samen, which means `Lord of Heaven' in the Phoenician language and is equivalent to Zeus in Greek." Baal-Shemaim had a temple at Umm el-Awamid between Acre and Tyre, and his name is found in inscriptions from the Phoenician colonies of Sardinia and Carthage.
II. Attributes o Baal.:-- As the Sun-god, Baal was worshipped under two aspects, beneficent and destructive. On the one hand he gave light and warmth to his worshippers; on the other hand the fierce heats of summer destroyed the vegetation he had himself brought into being. Hence, human victims were sacrificed to him in order to appease his anger in time of plague or other trouble, the victim being usually the first-born of the sacrificer and being burnt alive. In the Old Testament this is euphemistically termed "passing" the victim "through the fire" <2 Kin 16:3; 21:6>. The forms under which Baal was worshipped were necessarily as numerous as the communities which worshipped him. Each locality had its own Baal or divine "Lord" who frequently took his name from the city or place to which he belonged. Hence, there was a Baal-Zur, "Baal of Tyre"; Baal-hermon, "Baal of Hermon" <Judg 3:3>; Baal-Lebanon, "Baal of Lebanon"; Baal-Tarz, "Baal of Tarsus." At other times the title was attached to the name of an individual god; thus we have Bel-Merodach, "the Lord Merodach" (or "Bel is Merodach") at Babylon, Baal-Melkarth at Tyre, Baal-gad <Josh 11:17> in the north of Palestine. Occasionally the second element was noun as in Baal-Shemaim, "lord of heaven," Baalzebub <2 Kin 1:2>, "Lord of flies," Baal-Hamman, usually interpreted "Lord of heat," but more probably "Lord of the sunpillar," the tutelary deity of Carthage. All these various forms of the Sun-god were collectively known as the Baalim or "Baals" who took their place by the side of the female Ashtaroth and Ashtrim. At Carthage the female consort of Baal was termed Pene-Baal, "the face" or "reflection of Baal."
III. Baal-Worship.:-- In the earlier days of Hebrew history the title Baal, or "Lord," was applied to the national God of Israel, a usage which was revived in later times, and is familiar to us in the King James Version. Hence both Jonathan and David had sons called Merib-baal <1 Chr 8:31; 9:40> and Beeliada <1 Chr 14:7>. After the time of Ahab, however, the name became associated with the worship and rites of the Phoenician deity introduced into Samaria by Jezebel, and its idolatrous associations accordingly caused it to fall into disrepute. <Hosea 2:16> declares that henceforth the God of Israel should no longer be called Baali, "my Baal," and personal names like Esh-baal <1 Chr 8:33; 9:39>, and Beelinda into which it entered were changed in form, Baal being turned into bosheth which in Heb at any rate conveyed the sense of "shame."
IV. Temples, etc.:-- Temples of Baal at Samaria and Jerusalem are mentioned in 1:18; where they had been erected at the time when the Ahab dynasty endeavored to fuse Israelites and Jews and Phoenicians into a single people under the same national Phoenician god. Altars on which incense was burned to Baal were set up in all the streets of Jerusalem according to Jeremiah <Jer 11:13>, apparently on the flat roofs of the houses <Jer 32:29>; and the temple of Baal contained an image of the god in the shape of a pillar or Bethel <2 Kin 10:26-27>. In the reign of Ahab, Baal was served in Israel by 450 priests <1 Kin 18:19>, as well as by prophets <2 Kin 10:19>, and his worshippers wore special vestments when his ritual was performed <2 Kin 10:22>. The ordinary offering made to the god consisted of incense <Jer 7:9> and burnt sacrifices; on extraordinary occasions the victim was human <Jer 19:5>. At times the priests worked themselves into a state of ecstasy, and dancing round the altar slashed themselves with knives <1 Kin 18:26,28>, like certain dervish orders in modern Islam.
V. Use of the Name-- In accordance with its signification the name of Baal is generally used with the definite art.; in the Septuagint this often takes the feminine form, aischane "shame" being intended to be read. We find the same usage in <Rom 11:4>. The feminine counterpart of Baal was Baalah or Baalath which is found in a good many of the local names (see Baethgen, Beltrage zur semitischen Religionsgeschichte, 1888).
VI. Forms of Betal.-- Baal-berith
1. Baal-berith: ba`al berith; Baalberith, "Covenant Baal," was worshipped at Shechem after the death of Gideon <Judg 8:33; 9:4>. In <Judg 9:46> the name is replaced by El-berith, "Covenant-god." The covenant was that made by the god with his worshippers, less probably between the Israelites and the native Canaanites.
2. Baal-gad: Baal-gad ba`al gadh; Balagada, "Baal lord of good luck" (or "Baal is Gad") was the god of a town called after his name in the north of Pal, which has often been identified with Baalbek. The god is termed simply Gad in <Isa 65:11> the Revised Version, margin; where he is associated with Meni, the Assyrian Manu (AV "troop" and "number").
3. Baal-hamon: Baal-hamon ba`al hamon; Beelamon is known only from the fact that Solomon had a garden at a place of that name <Cant 8:11>. The name is usually explained to mean "Baal of the multitude," but the cuneiform tablets of the Tell el-Amarna age found in Palestine show that the Egyptian god Amon was worshipped in Canaan and identified there with the native Baal. We are therefore justified in reading the name Baal-Amon, a parallel to the Babylonian Bel-Merodach. The name has no connection with that of the Carthaginian deity Baal-hamman.
4. Baal-hermon: Baal-hermon ba`al chermon; Balaermon is found in the name of "the mountain of Baal-hermon" (<Judg 3:3>; compare <1 Chr 5:23>), which also bore the names of Hermort, Sirion and Shenir (Saniru in the Assyrian inscriptions), the second name being applied to it by the Phoenicians and the third by the Amorites <Deut 3:9>. Baal-hermon will consequently be a formation similar to Baal-Lebanon in an inscription from Cyprus; according to the Phoenician writer Sanchuniathon (Philo Byblius, Fragmenta II) the third generation of men "begat sons of surprising size and stature, whose names were given to the mountains of which they had obtained possession."
5. Baal-peor: Baal-peor ba`al pe`or; Beelphegor was god of the Moabite mountains, who took his name from Mount Peor <Num 23:28>, the modern Fa`ur, and was probably a form of Chemosh (Jerome, Comm., <Isa 15>). The sensual rites with which he was worshipped <Num 25:1-3> indicate his connection with the Phoenician Baal.
6. Baal-zebub: Baal-zebub ba`al zebhubh; Baalmuia Theos ("Baal the fly god") was worshipped at Ekron where he had famous oracle <2 Kin 1:2-3,16>. The name is generally translated "the Lord of flies," the Sun-god being associated with the flies which swarm in Palestine during the earlier summer months. It is met with in Assyrian inscriptions. In the New Testament the name assumes the form of Beelzebul Beelzeboul, in AV: BEELZEBUB (which see).
A. H. SAYCE
(from International Standard Bible Encylopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright (C) 1996 by Biblesoft)

[scottlittlefield17]

Yes. But he will never tell you something that is not in God's Word. I worship Jesus not a book that has been corrupted by man.

So if the Bible says to do something or not to do something do we ever have a reason not to do it or to do it anyways? If so with what reasoning? I am talking about strictly the NT.

[Benoni]

Yes. But he will never tell you something that is not in God's Word. I worship Jesus not a book that has been corrupted by man.

So if the Bible says to do something or not to do something do we ever have a reason not to do it or to do it anyways? If so with what reasoning? I am talking about strictly the NT.

I do not follow the law of the NT; I follow Jesus. We already covered this.

[scottlittlefield17]

I do not follow the law of the NT; I follow Jesus. We already covered this.

How do you follow Jesus without doing what he tells you to do and without doing what he revealed to the epistle writers?

[Benoni]

I do not follow the law of the NT; I follow Jesus. We already covered this.

How do you follow Jesus without doing what he tells you to do and without doing what he revealed to the epistle writers?

Never said I didn’t we already covered this. You are making His word LAW, man's works; its grace.


Titus 3: 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

[scottlittlefield17]

I do not follow the law of the NT; I follow Jesus. We already covered this.

How do you follow Jesus without doing what he tells you to do and without doing what he revealed to the epistle writers?

Never said I didn’t we already covered this. You are making His word LAW, man's works; its grace.


Titus 3: 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

Explain to me exactly in what way I am making his word LAW. All I am saying is that we are required to obey it. The difference between grace and law is that by law we gain salvation by works alone. With grace our works cannot save us but they can cancel our salvation. We are not saved by works BUT if we do not do what is required of us we will not make heaven. Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

[Benoni]

BUT if we do not do what is required of us we will not make heaven.

This is so sad. Does Jesus need to die again because he did not do a ggod enough job the first time around. This is making grace law. The Book of Revelation is the most spiritual book in the Bible and you eventake it literally. The letter killeth.

[Benoni]

I do not follow the law of the NT; I follow Jesus. We already covered this.

How do you follow Jesus without doing what he tells you to do and without doing what he revealed to the epistle writers?

Never said I didn’t we already covered this. You are making His word LAW, man's works; its grace.


Titus 3: 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

Explain to me exactly in what way I am making his word LAW. All I am saying is that we are required to obey it. The difference between grace and law is that by law we gain salvation by works alone. With grace our works cannot save us but they can cancel our salvation. We are not saved by works BUT if we do not do what is required of us we will not make heaven. Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Revelation is a very deep book; many can quote but few understand it.

[scottlittlefield17]

BUT if we do not do what is required of us we will not make heaven.

This is so sad. Does Jesus need to die again because he did not do a ggod enough job the first time around. This is making grace law. The Book of Revelation is the most spiritual book in the Bible and you eventake it literally. The letter killeth.

When Jesus died he died for every man. But you still have not told me why it is law for us to obey the scripture. You brought up Easter, I am not talking about that. I am talking about commands like the head covering like not killing like loving your emimies etc. I want you to show me somewhere that what we do doesn't matter. That we will be saved no matter what we do. It just isn't there. Jesus makes it very clear that we must obey him and bear good fruit otherwise we get cut off and thrown into the fire!