JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[Capbook]

I believe that John 17:3 can be known. I don't know of any scripture that is more clear. Jesus is telling the Father that He, the Father, is the only true God. How can that be twisted?? But Capbook does so somehow.

Let's see what the literal word for word Bible translation render John 17:3, I might believe that your paraphrase translation whom you relied to said the same.
Do the verse mentioned "this is eternal life"? Yes or no?
Jesus have said, I am the way, the truth and life. Same "life" mentioned in John 20:31.
And that "life" as the Father had said is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Would consider the Father's words true or not?


Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

[onewithhim]

I believe that John 17:3 can be known. I don't know of any scripture that is more clear. Jesus is telling the Father that He, the Father, is the only true God. How can that be twisted?? But Capbook does so somehow.

Let's see what the literal word for word Bible translation render John 17:3, I might believe that your paraphrase translation whom you relied to said the same.
Do the verse mentioned "this is eternal life"? Yes or no?
Jesus have said, I am the way, the truth and life. Same "life" mentioned in John 20:31.
And that "life" as the Father had said is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Would consider the Father's words true or not?


Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't understand how your question relates to John 17:3. Once again I ask you to be clear on your point. Otherwise nobody will get what you are saying.

[Capbook]

I believe that John 17:3 can be known. I don't know of any scripture that is more clear. Jesus is telling the Father that He, the Father, is the only true God. How can that be twisted?? But Capbook does so somehow.

Let's see what the literal word for word Bible translation render John 17:3, I might believe that your paraphrase translation whom you relied to said the same.
Do the verse mentioned "this is eternal life"? Yes or no?
Jesus have said, I am the way, the truth and life. Same "life" mentioned in John 20:31.
And that "life" as the Father had said is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Would consider the Father's words true or not?


Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't understand how your question relates to John 17:3. Once again I ask you to be clear on your point. Otherwise nobody will get what you are saying.

Is it that we have eyes but cannot see?
Simple question cannot answer?
Ok, I'll try again in step by step, seems hard to digest when we are out of context.
The question is John 17:3 mentioned "this is eternal life? Just yes or no.

[onewithhim]

I believe that John 17:3 can be known. I don't know of any scripture that is more clear. Jesus is telling the Father that He, the Father, is the only true God. How can that be twisted?? But Capbook does so somehow.

Let's see what the literal word for word Bible translation render John 17:3, I might believe that your paraphrase translation whom you relied to said the same.
Do the verse mentioned "this is eternal life"? Yes or no?
Jesus have said, I am the way, the truth and life. Same "life" mentioned in John 20:31.
And that "life" as the Father had said is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Would consider the Father's words true or not?


Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't understand how your question relates to John 17:3. Once again I ask you to be clear on your point. Otherwise nobody will get what you are saying.

Is it that we have eyes but cannot see?
Simple question cannot answer?
Ok, I'll try again in step by step, seems hard to digest when we are out of context.
The question is John 17:3 mentioned "this is eternal life? Just yes or no.

Yes. And?

[Capbook]

I believe that John 17:3 can be known. I don't know of any scripture that is more clear. Jesus is telling the Father that He, the Father, is the only true God. How can that be twisted?? But Capbook does so somehow.

Let's see what the literal word for word Bible translation render John 17:3, I might believe that your paraphrase translation whom you relied to said the same.
Do the verse mentioned "this is eternal life"? Yes or no?
Jesus have said, I am the way, the truth and life. Same "life" mentioned in John 20:31.
And that "life" as the Father had said is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Would consider the Father's words true or not?


Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't understand how your question relates to John 17:3. Once again I ask you to be clear on your point. Otherwise nobody will get what you are saying.

Is it that we have eyes but cannot see?
Simple question cannot answer?
Ok, I'll try again in step by step, seems hard to digest when we are out of context.
The question is John 17:3 mentioned "this is eternal life? Just yes or no.

Yes. And?

Good, as there is "this is eternal life" to know who "one" or "two" to be known?

[onewithhim]

Let's see what the literal word for word Bible translation render John 17:3, I might believe that your paraphrase translation whom you relied to said the same.
Do the verse mentioned "this is eternal life"? Yes or no?
Jesus have said, I am the way, the truth and life. Same "life" mentioned in John 20:31.
And that "life" as the Father had said is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Would consider the Father's words true or not?


Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't understand how your question relates to John 17:3. Once again I ask you to be clear on your point. Otherwise nobody will get what you are saying.

Is it that we have eyes but cannot see?
Simple question cannot answer?
Ok, I'll try again in step by step, seems hard to digest when we are out of context.
The question is John 17:3 mentioned "this is eternal life? Just yes or no.

Yes. And?

Good, as there is "this is eternal life" to know who "one" or "two" to be known?

Two. Once again, what is your point?

[Capbook]

I don't understand how your question relates to John 17:3. Once again I ask you to be clear on your point. Otherwise nobody will get what you are saying.

Is it that we have eyes but cannot see?
Simple question cannot answer?
Ok, I'll try again in step by step, seems hard to digest when we are out of context.
The question is John 17:3 mentioned "this is eternal life? Just yes or no.

Yes. And?

Good, as there is "this is eternal life" to know who "one" or "two" to be known?

Two. Once again, what is your point?

The point is, the verse involves eternal life knowing both the Father and Jesus.
I believe we both agree that our stand are in direct opposition to the real state of Jesus.
I prefer literal word for word Bible translations and you prefer paraphrase translations.
Literal word for word Bible translations based on original languages, while paraphrase are from the thoughts of the translators.
I stand by the original languages, while you stand from the thoughts of the translators.
But what at stakes here is eternal life to know both the Father and Jesus.
Just wishing you well on your Bible studies to see the truth.

[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1967]


There are no originals left of the NT at least--4th century Catholicism translating made up the Greek lexicons that exist today. Very few minor fragments that are older remain. The Latin Vulgate and The Codex Sinacticus is what all translation is done by the protestant religions. Late 14th century( Wycliffe) the first protestant translation came out of the Latin Vulgate. The Latin Vulgate is a corrupted translation as is the Codex Sinacticus. Thus all protestant works are corrupted as well. Catholicism=2Thess 2:3--that is who's translating you put your eternal life into.
God fixed it here in these last days=The New world translation.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1967]


There are no originals left of the NT at least--4th century Catholicism translating made up the Greek lexicons that exist today. Very few minor fragments that are older remain. The Latin Vulgate and The Codex Sinacticus is what all translation is done by the protestant religions. Late 14th century( Wycliffe) the first protestant translation came out of the Latin Vulgate. The Latin Vulgate is a corrupted translation as is the Codex Sinacticus. Thus all protestant works are corrupted as well. Catholicism=2Thess 2:3--that is who's translating you put your eternal life into.
God fixed it here in these last days=The New world translation.

Please do a good research. You just post your own opinion without proof or link of your source.

The Codex Sinaiticus, a crucial ancient manuscript of the Christian Bible, is not a product of Catholic influence.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+code ... s-wiz-serp

You promote your paraphrase translation, don't you know that NWT translators according to an article lack Greek credentials specially F. Franz.

It is reported that Frederick Franz, the primary translator of the NWT, had only twenty-one hours of formal classical Greek training at the University of Cincinnati[7] and only two hours of Biblical Greek or Koine Greek.[8] This information was provided in Frederick Franz’s 1911 autobiography in which he published his own college transcript. https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/q ... anslation/

[onewithhim]

Is it that we have eyes but cannot see?
Simple question cannot answer?
Ok, I'll try again in step by step, seems hard to digest when we are out of context.
The question is John 17:3 mentioned "this is eternal life? Just yes or no.

Yes. And?

Good, as there is "this is eternal life" to know who "one" or "two" to be known?

Two. Once again, what is your point?

The point is, the verse involves eternal life knowing both the Father and Jesus.
I believe we both agree that our stand are in direct opposition to the real state of Jesus.
I prefer literal word for word Bible translations and you prefer paraphrase translations.
Literal word for word Bible translations based on original languages, while paraphrase are from the thoughts of the translators.
I stand by the original languages, while you stand from the thoughts of the translators.
But what at stakes here is eternal life to know both the Father and Jesus.
Just wishing you well on your Bible studies to see the truth.

Thank you. I wish you well also.